Comments on: Madritsch http://www.ussmariner.com/2004/09/20/madritsch/ Seattle Mariners blog and general baseball discussion Thu, 09 Feb 2012 04:59:36 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Ralph Malph http://www.ussmariner.com/2004/09/20/madritsch/comment-page-1/#comment-2455 Ralph Malph Tue, 21 Sep 2004 21:20:05 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=1898#comment-2455 Not a magic gnome. A magic 8 ball: Should I trade Guillen for Ramon Santiago? "Outlook is unclear." Should I sign Scott Spiezio to a 3-year deal? "Reply hazy. Try again." Not a magic gnome. A magic 8 ball:

Should I trade Guillen for Ramon Santiago?

“Outlook is unclear.”

Should I sign Scott Spiezio to a 3-year deal?

“Reply hazy. Try again.”

]]> By: Chris W. http://www.ussmariner.com/2004/09/20/madritsch/comment-page-1/#comment-2451 Chris W. Tue, 21 Sep 2004 21:00:57 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=1898#comment-2451 It would definitely be tough to argue that Chavez is "better" than A-Rod. However, it is quite possible that Chavez's peak years (the next few) will be as good as A-Rod's peak years (the past few?). It would definitely be tough to argue that Chavez is “better” than A-Rod. However, it is quite possible that Chavez’s peak years (the next few) will be as good as A-Rod’s peak years (the past few?).

]]> By: Paul Weaver http://www.ussmariner.com/2004/09/20/madritsch/comment-page-1/#comment-2440 Paul Weaver Tue, 21 Sep 2004 19:37:51 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=1898#comment-2440 In terms of performance per dollar, I'd value Chavez way above A-Rod. That's about where it ends. I wonder what Bavasi's idea of "over valued" is? He probably drives an old car that breaks down a lot after selling his overvalued car. He probably put all of his stock options into the up and coming Tandy computer company in the late 80's. I'm guessing there is a magic gnome in his office who gives him advice. In terms of performance per dollar, I’d value Chavez way above A-Rod. That’s about where it ends.
I wonder what Bavasi’s idea of “over valued” is?
He probably drives an old car that breaks down a lot after selling his overvalued car. He probably put all of his stock options into the up and coming Tandy computer company in the late 80′s. I’m guessing there is a magic gnome in his office who gives him advice.

]]> By: big chef terry http://www.ussmariner.com/2004/09/20/madritsch/comment-page-1/#comment-2423 big chef terry Tue, 21 Sep 2004 18:32:22 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=1898#comment-2423 back to the original point, which was Bavasi's remarks and the apologia that led us into this...about 8 weeks ago Bavasi was on KJR and said twice that coming into this season that both Garcia and Guillen were the two most over-valued players in all of baseball. I think the statements reflects two things, one of which is present in the Rosenthal interview: 1. Bavasi and the entire front office is radically out of whack (new sabremetric term) in terms of recognition of talent and roles. Since Cirillo, which includes pre-Bavasi efforts, virtually every major league acquisition has been a trainwreck. Not we didn't get a superstar, instead guys that that flat out can't play anymore. Same sort of wrong headedness about Dobbs and Lopez. 2. Lincoln/Armstrong lost money personally on the Garcia arbitration and were hellbent on destroying Garcia and anyone in his circle. back to the original point, which was Bavasi’s remarks and the apologia that led us into this…about 8 weeks ago Bavasi was on KJR and said twice that coming into this season that both Garcia and Guillen were the two most over-valued players in all of baseball.

I think the statements reflects two things, one of which is present in the Rosenthal interview:

1. Bavasi and the entire front office is radically out of whack (new sabremetric term) in terms of recognition of talent and roles. Since Cirillo, which includes pre-Bavasi efforts, virtually every major league acquisition has been a trainwreck. Not we didn’t get a superstar, instead guys that that flat out can’t play anymore. Same sort of wrong headedness about Dobbs and Lopez.
2. Lincoln/Armstrong lost money personally on the Garcia arbitration and were hellbent on destroying Garcia and anyone in his circle.

]]> By: Ralph Malph http://www.ussmariner.com/2004/09/20/madritsch/comment-page-1/#comment-2417 Ralph Malph Tue, 21 Sep 2004 16:35:27 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=1898#comment-2417 By the way, am I the only one who thought bunting with Dobbs in the 8th inning last night was a bad idea (but what else is new?). You've got a tough righthander on the mound and you bunt with the lefthanded batter so the righthander Lopez has to face K-Rod. Then after Lopez predictably strikes out they can walk Ichiro. By the way, am I the only one who thought bunting with Dobbs in the 8th inning last night was a bad idea (but what else is new?).

You’ve got a tough righthander on the mound and you bunt with the lefthanded batter so the righthander Lopez has to face K-Rod. Then after Lopez predictably strikes out they can walk Ichiro.

]]> By: Ralph Malph http://www.ussmariner.com/2004/09/20/madritsch/comment-page-1/#comment-2416 Ralph Malph Tue, 21 Sep 2004 16:32:49 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=1898#comment-2416 No, we're not expecting Soriano back next year. Maybe late in the year, but TJ surgery normally takes at least a year to recover from. No, we’re not expecting Soriano back next year. Maybe late in the year, but TJ surgery normally takes at least a year to recover from.

]]> By: jason in nj http://www.ussmariner.com/2004/09/20/madritsch/comment-page-1/#comment-2415 jason in nj Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:55:20 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=1898#comment-2415 Adam, hopefully BooMel won't be around to screw with Mad's arm next year, but if he is then I agree with you. BUT Why aren't we talking about a rotation that includes Madritsch and Soriano? I know we really like carving into our pitchers and everything, but ... are we expecting Soriano back next year? If so, will he be expected to contribute like he did in '03? Adam, hopefully BooMel won’t be around to screw with Mad’s arm next year, but if he is then I agree with you.

BUT

Why aren’t we talking about a rotation that includes Madritsch and Soriano? I know we really like carving into our pitchers and everything, but … are we expecting Soriano back next year? If so, will he be expected to contribute like he did in ’03?

]]> By: Adam B. http://www.ussmariner.com/2004/09/20/madritsch/comment-page-1/#comment-2414 Adam B. Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:59:46 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=1898#comment-2414 I like the idea of converting Maddy to the closer role if it means that Melvin won't be able to have him throw out 8 inning/130 pitch games anymore. I don't like the idea because it wastes a valuable starting-pitcher on a position that--as Dave said, could be filled by ANY talented FA reliever... I like the idea of converting Maddy to the closer role if it means that Melvin won’t be able to have him throw out 8 inning/130 pitch games anymore.

I don’t like the idea because it wastes a valuable starting-pitcher on a position that–as Dave said, could be filled by ANY talented FA reliever…

]]> By: Jeremy http://www.ussmariner.com/2004/09/20/madritsch/comment-page-1/#comment-2413 Jeremy Tue, 21 Sep 2004 06:59:45 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=1898#comment-2413 I don't have Moneyball handy, but if I remember I don't think Beane was saying Chavez is better than A-Rod. I thought he pretty much gave in when Arod was mentioned, and said something like "Ok, Arod compares well enough.. but Chavez is a better defender." About Arthur Rhodes, I had him on all my fantasy teams and I remember him being pretty good early in the season. I thought I got a huge steal because he went late in every draft, probably because everyone thought he wasn't closer material. He really imploded and got injured, but the injury may have caused the implosion before they shut him down. It sucks that he might be remembered as the guy who "proved" not any good pitcher can be a closer, because of his injury troubles and his age (he'll be 35 next year). I think he'd have been a great closer if he was ever given a good chance. Ok, I <a href="http://cbs.sportsline.com/mlb/players/player/gamelogs/2004/8011">looked it up</a> and Rhodes was good for MOST of April, at least. I don’t have Moneyball handy, but if I remember I don’t think Beane was saying Chavez is better than A-Rod. I thought he pretty much gave in when Arod was mentioned, and said something like “Ok, Arod compares well enough.. but Chavez is a better defender.”

About Arthur Rhodes, I had him on all my fantasy teams and I remember him being pretty good early in the season. I thought I got a huge steal because he went late in every draft, probably because everyone thought he wasn’t closer material. He really imploded and got injured, but the injury may have caused the implosion before they shut him down. It sucks that he might be remembered as the guy who “proved” not any good pitcher can be a closer, because of his injury troubles and his age (he’ll be 35 next year). I think he’d have been a great closer if he was ever given a good chance.

Ok, I looked it up and Rhodes was good for MOST of April, at least.

]]> By: Jerry http://www.ussmariner.com/2004/09/20/madritsch/comment-page-1/#comment-2412 Jerry Tue, 21 Sep 2004 06:41:40 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=1898#comment-2412 Re: Chavez vs A-Rod Although I think that A-Rod is probably the best player in baseball, I don't think that Chavez should not be compared to him. A-Rod is a great player, but Chavez is awesome as well. I think that if I was building a team, Chavez might be the guy I would take at 3B. Part of this is because I just hate A-Rod. He is a plastic jackass. Chavez's numbers are better than A-Rods this year, but A-Rod has a lot more power and has been better in the past. But if Chavez had played the whole season, he would probably be leading the league in HRs. He is a lefty hitting guy who gets on base a lot, and elite defensive defensive player. Chavez is also only 26, and he has taken it to another level this year. He is hitting lefties really well, which was his biggest weakness before. If he stays healthy all year next year, we could see him just go crazy and put up A-Rod numbers. His K/BB ratio and other signs of good things to come suggest that he could move up a tier to elite player. If you put their stats together, A-Rod has had a better career. But you have to like Chavez. At least Chavez doesn't spew BS in interviews, nor make teams he plays with worse. A-Rod is probably the best player in baseball, and Chavez is just really really good. However, Chavez is more likely to get much better. Re: Chavez vs A-Rod

Although I think that A-Rod is probably the best player in baseball, I don’t think that Chavez should not be compared to him. A-Rod is a great player, but Chavez is awesome as well. I think that if I was building a team, Chavez might be the guy I would take at 3B. Part of this is because I just hate A-Rod. He is a plastic jackass. Chavez’s numbers are better than A-Rods this year, but A-Rod has a lot more power and has been better in the past. But if Chavez had played the whole season, he would probably be leading the league in HRs. He is a lefty hitting guy who gets on base a lot, and elite defensive defensive player. Chavez is also only 26, and he has taken it to another level this year. He is hitting lefties really well, which was his biggest weakness before. If he stays healthy all year next year, we could see him just go crazy and put up A-Rod numbers. His K/BB ratio and other signs of good things to come suggest that he could move up a tier to elite player.

If you put their stats together, A-Rod has had a better career. But you have to like Chavez. At least Chavez doesn’t spew BS in interviews, nor make teams he plays with worse. A-Rod is probably the best player in baseball, and Chavez is just really really good. However, Chavez is more likely to get much better.

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