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		<title>By: paul mocker</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2004/11/06/sexson-to-seattle-rumors/comment-page-1/#comment-6798</link>
		<dc:creator>paul mocker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2004 18:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My point is that the concept of &quot;injury prone&quot; is not understood. Somethimes there is luck involved, sometimes players don&#039;t know how to stay healthy. If I&#039;m not mistaken, sports medicine does not know what makes a player susceptible to injuries, especially non-recurring types of injury.

So for a player who is young than his peak, such as Guillen and Nick Jonshon, injury history or &quot;proneness&quot; should not be a factor.

Adam, he could be average. BB-ref&#039;s Most Similar Batters shows some All-Stars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My point is that the concept of &#8220;injury prone&#8221; is not understood. Somethimes there is luck involved, sometimes players don&#8217;t know how to stay healthy. If I&#8217;m not mistaken, sports medicine does not know what makes a player susceptible to injuries, especially non-recurring types of injury.</p>
<p>So for a player who is young than his peak, such as Guillen and Nick Jonshon, injury history or &#8220;proneness&#8221; should not be a factor.</p>
<p>Adam, he could be average. BB-ref&#8217;s Most Similar Batters shows some All-Stars.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2004 00:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prior to this breakout year, Guillen played 140, 134, and 109 games.  This year he played 136, well in-line with his history.

Johnson played 129, 96, then 73 the past three years.  He might someday get healthy, but I think it&#039;s foolish to expect him to play more than 3/4 of the season and 100 games is more realistic.

While he&#039;s only 26, his upside seems to be &quot;average&quot; first baseman rather than All-Star, which Guillen was/is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prior to this breakout year, Guillen played 140, 134, and 109 games.  This year he played 136, well in-line with his history.</p>
<p>Johnson played 129, 96, then 73 the past three years.  He might someday get healthy, but I think it&#8217;s foolish to expect him to play more than 3/4 of the season and 100 games is more realistic.</p>
<p>While he&#8217;s only 26, his upside seems to be &#8220;average&#8221; first baseman rather than All-Star, which Guillen was/is.</p>
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		<title>By: David C</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2004/11/06/sexson-to-seattle-rumors/comment-page-1/#comment-6775</link>
		<dc:creator>David C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Nov 2004 23:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two words about Nick Johnson: &quot;Carlos Guillen&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two words about Nick Johnson: &#8220;Carlos Guillen&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: PositivePaul</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2004/11/06/sexson-to-seattle-rumors/comment-page-1/#comment-6764</link>
		<dc:creator>PositivePaul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Nov 2004 22:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The M&#039;s have the bones to build a balanced team, that will both be competitive in 2005 and beyond.  Do they have the b@lls? The truth is, they could sign Beltran or Beltre, both guys who would help now, and they could build around, and in addition, take a short-term risk on a guy who may be cheaper than normal (Glaus, Delgado, Nomar, perhaps Sexson) that would add some potency back into the lineup (the way Edgar used to).  Actually, we probably have the bones to get BOTH Beltran AND Beltre, but the likelihood of this happening is atom-thin.

I think it&#039;s fair to say that the M&#039;s FO knows they have to make a big splash.   How they interpret this is one thing, and how they&#039;ll handle it is another.  I&#039;m very cautiously optimistic, but certainly not getting my hopes up...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The M&#8217;s have the bones to build a balanced team, that will both be competitive in 2005 and beyond.  Do they have the b@lls? The truth is, they could sign Beltran or Beltre, both guys who would help now, and they could build around, and in addition, take a short-term risk on a guy who may be cheaper than normal (Glaus, Delgado, Nomar, perhaps Sexson) that would add some potency back into the lineup (the way Edgar used to).  Actually, we probably have the bones to get BOTH Beltran AND Beltre, but the likelihood of this happening is atom-thin.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s fair to say that the M&#8217;s FO knows they have to make a big splash.   How they interpret this is one thing, and how they&#8217;ll handle it is another.  I&#8217;m very cautiously optimistic, but certainly not getting my hopes up&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: RB in the UK</title>
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		<dc:creator>RB in the UK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Nov 2004 21:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Johnson&#039;s fractured cheekbone was a fluke, a ball came up and got him in the face. He does seem to be a fragile guy though. Also, having watched him the Yankees, I don&#039;t know what other numbers say, but he seems to struggly mightily with picking balls out of the dirt (of which the Yankees&#039; IF provided plenty in Johnson&#039;s day). Don&#039;t know if that&#039;s improved</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Johnson&#8217;s fractured cheekbone was a fluke, a ball came up and got him in the face. He does seem to be a fragile guy though. Also, having watched him the Yankees, I don&#8217;t know what other numbers say, but he seems to struggly mightily with picking balls out of the dirt (of which the Yankees&#8217; IF provided plenty in Johnson&#8217;s day). Don&#8217;t know if that&#8217;s improved</p>
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		<title>By: msb</title>
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		<dc:creator>msb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Nov 2004 21:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FWIW, Nick Johnson&#039;s health history:
2000 missed all season with right-wrist injury that was never really completely diagnosed 
2001 chicken pox in spring, May a muscle problem in left hand (originally thought to be a bone bruise) 
2002 July/Aug there was a bone bruise on left wrist that was still a problem going into in Spring 2003 
2003 in Spring sprained left wrist, and also thumb; in May got a stress fracture in right hand that lasted all year off &amp; on
2004 began season on DL with lower back strain; in August had right knee strain, &amp; when back fractured cheekbone, missed rest of season</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FWIW, Nick Johnson&#8217;s health history:<br />
2000 missed all season with right-wrist injury that was never really completely diagnosed<br />
2001 chicken pox in spring, May a muscle problem in left hand (originally thought to be a bone bruise)<br />
2002 July/Aug there was a bone bruise on left wrist that was still a problem going into in Spring 2003<br />
2003 in Spring sprained left wrist, and also thumb; in May got a stress fracture in right hand that lasted all year off &#038; on<br />
2004 began season on DL with lower back strain; in August had right knee strain, &#038; when back fractured cheekbone, missed rest of season</p>
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		<title>By: hans</title>
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		<dc:creator>hans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Nov 2004 20:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Going back to Post #1...

That lineup looks fairly servicable if everything works out (i.e., no injuries).  But what is the likelihood of that?

Where are the injury risks in the lineup?
UH... hitters #3-5 and #7.  Jacobsen and Glaus have documented histories of serious injuries.  Delgado&#039;s health is looking questionable and he is getting old.  Boone is old.

Further, where is the future in this lineup?  Are Ichiro, Reed, Winn, Lopez, and Olivo really the building blocks we want for the New Mariners?  Which of those is the guy that is going to make pitchers sweat?

I would much prefer the M&#039;s stick to Plan A: sign a superstar YOUNG player that has a high probability of being an all star for several years to come, and use our players and acquisitions to build around that person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Going back to Post #1&#8230;</p>
<p>That lineup looks fairly servicable if everything works out (i.e., no injuries).  But what is the likelihood of that?</p>
<p>Where are the injury risks in the lineup?<br />
UH&#8230; hitters #3-5 and #7.  Jacobsen and Glaus have documented histories of serious injuries.  Delgado&#8217;s health is looking questionable and he is getting old.  Boone is old.</p>
<p>Further, where is the future in this lineup?  Are Ichiro, Reed, Winn, Lopez, and Olivo really the building blocks we want for the New Mariners?  Which of those is the guy that is going to make pitchers sweat?</p>
<p>I would much prefer the M&#8217;s stick to Plan A: sign a superstar YOUNG player that has a high probability of being an all star for several years to come, and use our players and acquisitions to build around that person.</p>
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		<title>By: paul mocker</title>
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		<dc:creator>paul mocker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Nov 2004 18:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;but he has some real serious problems keeping healthy, which is a bad sign for a guy that is that young&lt;/i&gt;

Carlos Guillen, Jerry?

At 26 years old, NJ would be a great addition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>but he has some real serious problems keeping healthy, which is a bad sign for a guy that is that young</i></p>
<p>Carlos Guillen, Jerry?</p>
<p>At 26 years old, NJ would be a great addition.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Nov 2004 17:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DMZ: &quot;Gammons, most prominently, is pushing the line that Richie Sexson is all but a done deal.&quot;

Is everyone just blowing this one off saying Gammons has it all wrong?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DMZ: &#8220;Gammons, most prominently, is pushing the line that Richie Sexson is all but a done deal.&#8221;</p>
<p>Is everyone just blowing this one off saying Gammons has it all wrong?</p>
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		<title>By: John Hill</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Nov 2004 14:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the responses. I suppose a lot depends on just how healthy Guardado really is. It does sound though that some of you wouldn&#039;t even insist on the prospect!

Jerry:
&quot;The problem is the Mets. I donÂ´t see the Mets getting all that excited about trading Matsui, Stanton, and Floyd for Sosa, Farnsworth, and a prospect. Perhaps they would. But they would be adding one of the worst contracts in baseball in Sosa. They do want to get rid of Floyd, but he comes off the books after 2005 and gets paid over 10 million less than Sosa. Stanton may be signed for two more years, but he was a better reliever than Farnsworth last year. It just doesnÂ´t make much sense for the MetÂ´s unless they really wanted to ditch Matsui. I am not sure that this is the case.&quot;

I floated the idea at on couple of Mets blogs too, and the response was generally quite negative. While they wanted rid of Floyd (whose contract actually runs through 2006 at $6.5m per) and Stanton (who has one year at $4m left on his deal and whose performance in 2004, they claimed, was a lot worse than his ERA suggested), and they were interested in Farnsworth (it&#039;s the stuff really, and the hope that Peterson might be the person to turn him around), they were sceptical when it came to Sosa and his age-induced decline. That said, it would seem that Minaya is far more enthused by him, and if the markets for Floyd and Stanton aren&#039;t big, the proposed trade actually works out well for them financially ($1.3m added in 2005, $3.5m in 2006, $4.5m in 2007), nothing that Sosa wouldn&#039;t re-generate, and Matsui is expendable if Victor Diaz pans out as their second baseman. I think if we sent them that prospect we&#039;d have sent you, Minaya would do the deal, though most Mets fans wouldn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the responses. I suppose a lot depends on just how healthy Guardado really is. It does sound though that some of you wouldn&#8217;t even insist on the prospect!</p>
<p>Jerry:<br />
&#8220;The problem is the Mets. I donÂ´t see the Mets getting all that excited about trading Matsui, Stanton, and Floyd for Sosa, Farnsworth, and a prospect. Perhaps they would. But they would be adding one of the worst contracts in baseball in Sosa. They do want to get rid of Floyd, but he comes off the books after 2005 and gets paid over 10 million less than Sosa. Stanton may be signed for two more years, but he was a better reliever than Farnsworth last year. It just doesnÂ´t make much sense for the MetÂ´s unless they really wanted to ditch Matsui. I am not sure that this is the case.&#8221;</p>
<p>I floated the idea at on couple of Mets blogs too, and the response was generally quite negative. While they wanted rid of Floyd (whose contract actually runs through 2006 at $6.5m per) and Stanton (who has one year at $4m left on his deal and whose performance in 2004, they claimed, was a lot worse than his ERA suggested), and they were interested in Farnsworth (it&#8217;s the stuff really, and the hope that Peterson might be the person to turn him around), they were sceptical when it came to Sosa and his age-induced decline. That said, it would seem that Minaya is far more enthused by him, and if the markets for Floyd and Stanton aren&#8217;t big, the proposed trade actually works out well for them financially ($1.3m added in 2005, $3.5m in 2006, $4.5m in 2007), nothing that Sosa wouldn&#8217;t re-generate, and Matsui is expendable if Victor Diaz pans out as their second baseman. I think if we sent them that prospect we&#8217;d have sent you, Minaya would do the deal, though most Mets fans wouldn&#8217;t.</p>
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