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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2004/11/20/mlbs-advise-and-consent-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-7874</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Nov 2004 21:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re #13: Derek, baseball teasms do not truly compete with each other economically.  Within their operating areas they are either monopolies or duopolies.  What Seattle does with ticket prices, concessions, etc., does not directly affect Oakland and vice versa.

If baseball were a truly competitive market, you, David, and Jason could line up some investors, assemble a roster for an MLB team to compete with the product put out by Lincoln, et. al., and submit a competing offer to MLB and the Stadium Authority to provide MLB baseball in the Seattle market.  Or you could create a second team in the Seattle market to compete with the Mariners.

That what would be a competitive marketplace.

In a competitive marketplace at least one team, if not two, would relocate to the Northeast to take advantage of the greater revenue and profit opportunities available there.  The added competition would reduce the revenues available to the Mets, Yankees, and Red Sox, and force them to cut payroll.

There is (or shold be) competition in player signings, but other than that limited aspect, baseball teams in no way compete in economic terms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re #13: Derek, baseball teasms do not truly compete with each other economically.  Within their operating areas they are either monopolies or duopolies.  What Seattle does with ticket prices, concessions, etc., does not directly affect Oakland and vice versa.</p>
<p>If baseball were a truly competitive market, you, David, and Jason could line up some investors, assemble a roster for an MLB team to compete with the product put out by Lincoln, et. al., and submit a competing offer to MLB and the Stadium Authority to provide MLB baseball in the Seattle market.  Or you could create a second team in the Seattle market to compete with the Mariners.</p>
<p>That what would be a competitive marketplace.</p>
<p>In a competitive marketplace at least one team, if not two, would relocate to the Northeast to take advantage of the greater revenue and profit opportunities available there.  The added competition would reduce the revenues available to the Mets, Yankees, and Red Sox, and force them to cut payroll.</p>
<p>There is (or shold be) competition in player signings, but other than that limited aspect, baseball teams in no way compete in economic terms.</p>
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		<title>By: zzyzx</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2004/11/20/mlbs-advise-and-consent-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-7867</link>
		<dc:creator>zzyzx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Nov 2004 16:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The better analogy is that Schwinn would love to see Kona and Trek go out of business but the Yankees couldn&#039;t exist without the 29 other teams.

One of my strategies for dealing with the Yankees if they ever get REALLY out of control is for the other 29 teams to say, &quot;OK, we give up.   You win.&quot;   Then they drop out of the league and form another one leaving the Yankees to win every year by default.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The better analogy is that Schwinn would love to see Kona and Trek go out of business but the Yankees couldn&#8217;t exist without the 29 other teams.</p>
<p>One of my strategies for dealing with the Yankees if they ever get REALLY out of control is for the other 29 teams to say, &#8220;OK, we give up.   You win.&#8221;   Then they drop out of the league and form another one leaving the Yankees to win every year by default.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Begley</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2004/11/20/mlbs-advise-and-consent-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-7866</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Begley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Nov 2004 15:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that there is less economic competition between the teams - obviously there is a great deal of competition on the field.  To revise my example, a fictional Derek of Seattle needs to buy a new bike.  He can buy a Schwinn, a Trek, a Kona etc...  He reads about all the different bikes and picks one.  It is in the bike companies interests to compete head to head against each other economically.  This same Derek, a man of average means, also wants to go see a baseball game.  He is locked into going to the Seattle Mariners.  It is in all of baseballs interest to make sure Derek likes baseball.  It is not in the rational interest of, say, the Boston Red Sox to tell Derek that he doesn&#039;t want to be a Mariners fan, he wants to be a Red Sox fan.
That being said, however, the rational economic interests are often overriden by the competition on the field.  I see this move by the MLB front office as a way to ensure that the rational needs of MLB, a company made up of 30 shareholders, are not completely subsumed by the teams individual desires to get the best players at any cost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that there is less economic competition between the teams &#8211; obviously there is a great deal of competition on the field.  To revise my example, a fictional Derek of Seattle needs to buy a new bike.  He can buy a Schwinn, a Trek, a Kona etc&#8230;  He reads about all the different bikes and picks one.  It is in the bike companies interests to compete head to head against each other economically.  This same Derek, a man of average means, also wants to go see a baseball game.  He is locked into going to the Seattle Mariners.  It is in all of baseballs interest to make sure Derek likes baseball.  It is not in the rational interest of, say, the Boston Red Sox to tell Derek that he doesn&#8217;t want to be a Mariners fan, he wants to be a Red Sox fan.<br />
That being said, however, the rational economic interests are often overriden by the competition on the field.  I see this move by the MLB front office as a way to ensure that the rational needs of MLB, a company made up of 30 shareholders, are not completely subsumed by the teams individual desires to get the best players at any cost.</p>
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		<title>By: DMZ</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2004/11/20/mlbs-advise-and-consent-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-7862</link>
		<dc:creator>DMZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Nov 2004 07:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Because then every GM has to pay for one moronâ€™s mistake, since theyâ€™ll spend the next several years battling with agents who insist that Player B deserves a Player A salary since their performance compares well â€“ ignoring the fact that Player A was grossly overpaid in the first place.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m sorry, but just because something like this creates trouble for someone else doesn&#039;t mean they should be able to stop it.


On
&lt;blockquote&gt;The baseball marketplace is not companies working against each other, really. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is wrong. In your Intel v AMD example, there&#039;s less direct competition between the companies than between teams in baseball. Both Intel and AMD have diverse product lines, many of which conflict with each other.

Every baseball team wins a game by giving another team a loss. Every player move can help or hurt one team, and in so doing it hurts or helps every other team. Intel and AMD can both grow sales while fighting for the desktop market, but every baseball team can&#039;t get better next year.

Baseball is not an open market in some senses, certainly, but it is direct competition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On:</p>
<blockquote><p>Because then every GM has to pay for one moronâ€™s mistake, since theyâ€™ll spend the next several years battling with agents who insist that Player B deserves a Player A salary since their performance compares well â€“ ignoring the fact that Player A was grossly overpaid in the first place.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but just because something like this creates trouble for someone else doesn&#8217;t mean they should be able to stop it.</p>
<p>On</p>
<blockquote><p>The baseball marketplace is not companies working against each other, really. </p></blockquote>
<p>This is wrong. In your Intel v AMD example, there&#8217;s less direct competition between the companies than between teams in baseball. Both Intel and AMD have diverse product lines, many of which conflict with each other.</p>
<p>Every baseball team wins a game by giving another team a loss. Every player move can help or hurt one team, and in so doing it hurts or helps every other team. Intel and AMD can both grow sales while fighting for the desktop market, but every baseball team can&#8217;t get better next year.</p>
<p>Baseball is not an open market in some senses, certainly, but it is direct competition.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken"TheDigger"Phelps</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken"TheDigger"Phelps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Nov 2004 04:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*SIGH*... I&#039;m moving to Cuba.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*SIGH*&#8230; I&#8217;m moving to Cuba.</p>
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		<title>By: Northsider</title>
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		<dc:creator>Northsider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Nov 2004 03:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ARAM is up for arbitration this offseason but is not considered a free agent (due to what i&#039;m guessing has to do with his MLB service time?). The Cubbies will most likely try to sign him to a 3-4 year deal to avoid a pricey ruling for next season.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ARAM is up for arbitration this offseason but is not considered a free agent (due to what i&#8217;m guessing has to do with his MLB service time?). The Cubbies will most likely try to sign him to a 3-4 year deal to avoid a pricey ruling for next season.</p>
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		<title>By: Grant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Nov 2004 00:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>off-topic-
I was under the impression that Aramis Ramirez was a free agent this year, obviously he is not because he isn&#039;t listed as one on MLB.com, but still it seems like there was talk about him, does anyone know hos contract situation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>off-topic-<br />
I was under the impression that Aramis Ramirez was a free agent this year, obviously he is not because he isn&#8217;t listed as one on MLB.com, but still it seems like there was talk about him, does anyone know hos contract situation?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Begley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Begley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Nov 2004 22:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree.  The baseball marketplace is not companies working against each other, really.  It is not open and free the way the general marketplace is (ex Intel and AMD compete head to head in a way that New York and Boston and Seattle do not).  If the owners aren&#039;t colluding to keep prices down, I see it as emininently sensible to share information that benefits all of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree.  The baseball marketplace is not companies working against each other, really.  It is not open and free the way the general marketplace is (ex Intel and AMD compete head to head in a way that New York and Boston and Seattle do not).  If the owners aren&#8217;t colluding to keep prices down, I see it as emininently sensible to share information that benefits all of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Nov 2004 21:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;f someone wants to spend far too much money on a player, why not let them?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Because then every GM has to pay for one moron&#039;s mistake, since they&#039;ll spend the next several years battling with agents who insist that Player B deserves a Player A salary since their performance compares well -- ignoring the fact that Player A was grossly overpaid in the first place.

In general, I don&#039;t see what MLB is doing as out of bounds. The players want to make as much as possible, the teams want to pay them as little as possible. Player agents certainly use whatever means they can to inflate the bidding, and logically the league will do everything it can to keep the prices down. That&#039;s just the way it goes; a free market cuts both ways. As the ESPN column pointed out, the league is now issuing a paper trail on the process that can be examined and, if necessary, introduced as evidence in court. If it&#039;s collusion, the courts will act accordingly; until then, it&#039;s just bargaining.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>f someone wants to spend far too much money on a player, why not let them?</p></blockquote>
<p>Because then every GM has to pay for one moron&#8217;s mistake, since they&#8217;ll spend the next several years battling with agents who insist that Player B deserves a Player A salary since their performance compares well &#8212; ignoring the fact that Player A was grossly overpaid in the first place.</p>
<p>In general, I don&#8217;t see what MLB is doing as out of bounds. The players want to make as much as possible, the teams want to pay them as little as possible. Player agents certainly use whatever means they can to inflate the bidding, and logically the league will do everything it can to keep the prices down. That&#8217;s just the way it goes; a free market cuts both ways. As the ESPN column pointed out, the league is now issuing a paper trail on the process that can be examined and, if necessary, introduced as evidence in court. If it&#8217;s collusion, the courts will act accordingly; until then, it&#8217;s just bargaining.</p>
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		<title>By: PositivePaul</title>
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		<dc:creator>PositivePaul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Nov 2004 20:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Arizona: 
Here are some comps for Willie Bloomquist. We feel his grit and scrappiness compares with DEREK JETER and ALEX RODRIGUEZ. Therefore, as a free agent, he should be compensated thusly. An appropriate contract would be in the 10 yr &amp; $150 million range.

--Bud</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Arizona:<br />
Here are some comps for Willie Bloomquist. We feel his grit and scrappiness compares with DEREK JETER and ALEX RODRIGUEZ. Therefore, as a free agent, he should be compensated thusly. An appropriate contract would be in the 10 yr &#038; $150 million range.</p>
<p>&#8211;Bud</p>
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