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		<title>By: Gabe</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2005/01/08/yabu-to-as-rumors/comment-page-1/#comment-13975</link>
		<dc:creator>Gabe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2005 04:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re. Beane and the offseason

Another thing that you&#039;re forgetting is that the A&#039;s have built a serious pen that will end up being like the M&#039;s circa 2001. IMHO they have as much chance as the Angels in 2005.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re. Beane and the offseason</p>
<p>Another thing that you&#8217;re forgetting is that the A&#8217;s have built a serious pen that will end up being like the M&#8217;s circa 2001. IMHO they have as much chance as the Angels in 2005.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2005 03:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cameron apparently speaks very highly of his time in Seattle - he loved it here, despite his problems hitting in Safeco.

But, Ir recall reading that Cameron volunteered to move to RF is the Mets signed Beltran.  That strikes me as a really poor decision on the part of the Mets (if you&#039;re going to put both Cammy and Beltran out there, why waste Cammy is right?), but if that&#039;s what hey want to do then Cameron seems amenable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cameron apparently speaks very highly of his time in Seattle &#8211; he loved it here, despite his problems hitting in Safeco.</p>
<p>But, Ir recall reading that Cameron volunteered to move to RF is the Mets signed Beltran.  That strikes me as a really poor decision on the part of the Mets (if you&#8217;re going to put both Cammy and Beltran out there, why waste Cammy is right?), but if that&#8217;s what hey want to do then Cameron seems amenable.</p>
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		<title>By: roger tang</title>
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		<dc:creator>roger tang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2005 23:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s not get too hard on the A&#039;s front office. While they aren&#039;t the genius wizards that their reputations say they are, neither are they chumps. Beane is very good, but he&#039;s had his share of mistakes...it&#039;s just that they&#039;re outwighed by his successes...

As far as Cameron is concerened, I&#039;m skeptical that he&#039;d want to come back here, considering his long battles with SAFECO. And there&#039;s that budget for salaries....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s not get too hard on the A&#8217;s front office. While they aren&#8217;t the genius wizards that their reputations say they are, neither are they chumps. Beane is very good, but he&#8217;s had his share of mistakes&#8230;it&#8217;s just that they&#8217;re outwighed by his successes&#8230;</p>
<p>As far as Cameron is concerened, I&#8217;m skeptical that he&#8217;d want to come back here, considering his long battles with SAFECO. And there&#8217;s that budget for salaries&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: greenlaw9</title>
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		<dc:creator>greenlaw9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2005 22:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is directed pretty much toward the admins (also - would love to have a thread topic about this), but I&#039;d love to hear everyones take on the following question:

Being that it seems likely that Beltran will be signing with the Mets, where does that leave Cameron?  I know they have Floyd in left, but who&#039;s in right for them?  I checked MLB.com and while Diaz might be a prospect, I don&#039;t know much about him.  I was wondering, based pretty much upon this Diaz guy, whether Cameron will merely slip into right (or Beltran perhaps?) or if Cammy is now on the trade block (maybe it would help them to clear payroll for the Beltran signing)?

And the natural and completely predictable follow-up question is: what are the chances of Cammy making a return to the M&#039;s?  I know there&#039;s lots of angles to take on this - given the rising of Reed, our surplus of outfielders and the Met&#039;s possible surplus of outfielders, our general need for power balanced against whether Cammy&#039;s average would hurt us.  Then there&#039;s also the whole Pokey signing angle and wondering how much Cammy might have made known his desire to play for the M&#039;s again.  Anyway, I&#039;ll leave it to you guys to play that out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is directed pretty much toward the admins (also &#8211; would love to have a thread topic about this), but I&#8217;d love to hear everyones take on the following question:</p>
<p>Being that it seems likely that Beltran will be signing with the Mets, where does that leave Cameron?  I know they have Floyd in left, but who&#8217;s in right for them?  I checked MLB.com and while Diaz might be a prospect, I don&#8217;t know much about him.  I was wondering, based pretty much upon this Diaz guy, whether Cameron will merely slip into right (or Beltran perhaps?) or if Cammy is now on the trade block (maybe it would help them to clear payroll for the Beltran signing)?</p>
<p>And the natural and completely predictable follow-up question is: what are the chances of Cammy making a return to the M&#8217;s?  I know there&#8217;s lots of angles to take on this &#8211; given the rising of Reed, our surplus of outfielders and the Met&#8217;s possible surplus of outfielders, our general need for power balanced against whether Cammy&#8217;s average would hurt us.  Then there&#8217;s also the whole Pokey signing angle and wondering how much Cammy might have made known his desire to play for the M&#8217;s again.  Anyway, I&#8217;ll leave it to you guys to play that out.</p>
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		<title>By: Econ guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Econ guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2005 20:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like Beltran is going to the Mets at $119 million for 7 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like Beltran is going to the Mets at $119 million for 7 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Staples</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Staples</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2005 20:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beane definitely knows what he&#039;s doing, but he&#039;s still the guy who signed Rhodes and Redman to bad contracts.  Not only that, but he jettisoned a very solid, young catcher out of town (Hernandez) a couple of years ago to get Kotsay, who performed well in 2004 but also due a ton of money that will be impossible for him to really earn.  Beane is also the guy who gave a pretty sizeable amount of cash to Hatteberg and to Dye.  I&#039;m not saying he&#039;s less than a top-3 GM ... which is essentially to say that I&#039;m not criticizing him at all.  I particularly think he is good at obtaining undervalued assets.  I also believe, however, that he makes a fair amount of mistakes on some of his larger transactions/deals that, at least to an extent, mitigates the &quot;genius&quot; of some of his moves to get undervalued assets.  Let me also say here that he was right to let Giambi walk, particularly in hindsight, and given Crosby, also right to let Tejada walk.

Kendall had a 47.5 VORP last year, while Miller had only a 16.8.  It&#039;s hard to argue against the suggestion that Kendall is a tremendous upgrade at catcher.  At the same time, Hudson and Mulder had 48.6 and 37.2 VORP, respectively.  Knowing that Hudson would be gone anyway after 2005, and perhaps knowing something about Mulder that the rest of us don&#039;t, it&#039;s easy to see that the huge upgrade at catcher might make up for the loss of Hudson, if not the loss of Mulder.  Given the nutso salaries being doled out to #3 starters, getting some high-potential guys under club control for the next 4-5 years makes sense as well.  

Although this is really simplistic, and much better analyses have been done on this site and elsewhere, I just hope to show that (1) I understand the Kendall/Hudson/Mulder deals, and (2) despite their seeming madness, they may actually turn out to represent an improvement to Beane&#039;s record with larger (in terms of salaries and/or importance of the players involved) transactions/deals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beane definitely knows what he&#8217;s doing, but he&#8217;s still the guy who signed Rhodes and Redman to bad contracts.  Not only that, but he jettisoned a very solid, young catcher out of town (Hernandez) a couple of years ago to get Kotsay, who performed well in 2004 but also due a ton of money that will be impossible for him to really earn.  Beane is also the guy who gave a pretty sizeable amount of cash to Hatteberg and to Dye.  I&#8217;m not saying he&#8217;s less than a top-3 GM &#8230; which is essentially to say that I&#8217;m not criticizing him at all.  I particularly think he is good at obtaining undervalued assets.  I also believe, however, that he makes a fair amount of mistakes on some of his larger transactions/deals that, at least to an extent, mitigates the &#8220;genius&#8221; of some of his moves to get undervalued assets.  Let me also say here that he was right to let Giambi walk, particularly in hindsight, and given Crosby, also right to let Tejada walk.</p>
<p>Kendall had a 47.5 VORP last year, while Miller had only a 16.8.  It&#8217;s hard to argue against the suggestion that Kendall is a tremendous upgrade at catcher.  At the same time, Hudson and Mulder had 48.6 and 37.2 VORP, respectively.  Knowing that Hudson would be gone anyway after 2005, and perhaps knowing something about Mulder that the rest of us don&#8217;t, it&#8217;s easy to see that the huge upgrade at catcher might make up for the loss of Hudson, if not the loss of Mulder.  Given the nutso salaries being doled out to #3 starters, getting some high-potential guys under club control for the next 4-5 years makes sense as well.  </p>
<p>Although this is really simplistic, and much better analyses have been done on this site and elsewhere, I just hope to show that (1) I understand the Kendall/Hudson/Mulder deals, and (2) despite their seeming madness, they may actually turn out to represent an improvement to Beane&#8217;s record with larger (in terms of salaries and/or importance of the players involved) transactions/deals.</p>
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		<title>By: grover</title>
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		<dc:creator>grover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2005 19:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#18

You&#039;re confusing the cause and effect of the A&#039;s payroll situation. You may or not like Beane but you cannot deny that he has made some very shrewd moves over the course of his tenure in Oakland. He did not go out and trade for Kendall without knowing what it was going to do to his payroll. Beane was anticiapting the Mulder and Hudson trades BEFORE he acquired Kendall. Skip Bayless wrote an article on Dec. 23 that states Beane was talking to GMs last August about how he was going to trade off two of his Big 3.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=bayless/041223

Now, I&#039;m not a big Bayless fan but I hope he has the integrity to not make up his facts. Beane knew he&#039;d be trading two of his ace pitchers and that it would free up the money necessary to acquire Kendall. The fact that Mulder and Hudson got traded after Kendall came to town is just a matter of timing, nothing more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#18</p>
<p>You&#8217;re confusing the cause and effect of the A&#8217;s payroll situation. You may or not like Beane but you cannot deny that he has made some very shrewd moves over the course of his tenure in Oakland. He did not go out and trade for Kendall without knowing what it was going to do to his payroll. Beane was anticiapting the Mulder and Hudson trades BEFORE he acquired Kendall. Skip Bayless wrote an article on Dec. 23 that states Beane was talking to GMs last August about how he was going to trade off two of his Big 3.</p>
<p><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=bayless/041223" rel="nofollow">http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=bayless/041223</a></p>
<p>Now, I&#8217;m not a big Bayless fan but I hope he has the integrity to not make up his facts. Beane knew he&#8217;d be trading two of his ace pitchers and that it would free up the money necessary to acquire Kendall. The fact that Mulder and Hudson got traded after Kendall came to town is just a matter of timing, nothing more.</p>
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		<title>By: Trev</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2005 11:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1.  I believe that the A&#039;s have one of the best front offices in baseball.  To do as well for the last few years as teams with double your resources should say as much.
2.  I meant to be facetious about the work habits of the A&#039;s scouts.  I&#039;m not sure how the A&#039;s discovered Yabu - whether someone&#039;s computer put up a red flag or something caught a scout&#039;s eye, but I truly doubt that a team as frugal as the A&#039;s would spend over $750k without having someone take a look at see something they liked.
3.  Clay Davenport&#039;s study on Japanese Baseball can be found &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=1330&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=1348&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.  &quot;The Triple-A/majors multiplier is .860; if the transitive property holds, then Japanese EqA is worth about .948 of a major-league EqA, which conveniently enough is almost identical to what we got from major leaguers.&quot;  Yeah, so all I had to do was search BP.
4.  As far as Yabu is actually concerned, he put up translated (using the Park Factors in the Davenport article [yes, there&#039;s only two years] and MLE for the JPL) FIPs of 3.70, 3.89, and 3.68 over the last three years.  His untranslated K/9 rate is has been declining over the last three years from 6.628 (career high) to 5.80.  Ditto K/BB numbers.  He also hasn&#039;t pitched more than 132 innings since 2000.  All of this spells back of the bullpen with a question mark.  Is that worth 750k?  I don&#039;t know, maybe the A&#039;s are after a Japanese fan base of their own.

*I realize my methodology probably reveals my ignorance in a couple statistical areas, but this is the best data I have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1.  I believe that the A&#8217;s have one of the best front offices in baseball.  To do as well for the last few years as teams with double your resources should say as much.<br />
2.  I meant to be facetious about the work habits of the A&#8217;s scouts.  I&#8217;m not sure how the A&#8217;s discovered Yabu &#8211; whether someone&#8217;s computer put up a red flag or something caught a scout&#8217;s eye, but I truly doubt that a team as frugal as the A&#8217;s would spend over $750k without having someone take a look at see something they liked.<br />
3.  Clay Davenport&#8217;s study on Japanese Baseball can be found <a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=1330" target="_blank">here</a> and <a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=1348" target="_blank">here</a>.  &#8220;The Triple-A/majors multiplier is .860; if the transitive property holds, then Japanese EqA is worth about .948 of a major-league EqA, which conveniently enough is almost identical to what we got from major leaguers.&#8221;  Yeah, so all I had to do was search BP.<br />
4.  As far as Yabu is actually concerned, he put up translated (using the Park Factors in the Davenport article [yes, there's only two years] and MLE for the JPL) FIPs of 3.70, 3.89, and 3.68 over the last three years.  His untranslated K/9 rate is has been declining over the last three years from 6.628 (career high) to 5.80.  Ditto K/BB numbers.  He also hasn&#8217;t pitched more than 132 innings since 2000.  All of this spells back of the bullpen with a question mark.  Is that worth 750k?  I don&#8217;t know, maybe the A&#8217;s are after a Japanese fan base of their own.</p>
<p>*I realize my methodology probably reveals my ignorance in a couple statistical areas, but this is the best data I have.</p>
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		<title>By: chris w</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris w</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2005 06:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look at what teams are paying for #3-5 starters these days (Lidle, Ortiz, Lowe, etc.).  Look at what the Mariners will probably be paying Villone.  This is Beane proving that he doesn&#039;t need to participate in the current supposed overpriced &quot;market&quot; for pitchers.  If I&#039;m going to spend a $1M on a free I agent (instead of just relying on my farm system for a replacement level player), I&#039;d rather spend it on someone that *might* be really good, instead someone I *know* will be really mediocre.  Anyway, I like this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look at what teams are paying for #3-5 starters these days (Lidle, Ortiz, Lowe, etc.).  Look at what the Mariners will probably be paying Villone.  This is Beane proving that he doesn&#8217;t need to participate in the current supposed overpriced &#8220;market&#8221; for pitchers.  If I&#8217;m going to spend a $1M on a free I agent (instead of just relying on my farm system for a replacement level player), I&#8217;d rather spend it on someone that *might* be really good, instead someone I *know* will be really mediocre.  Anyway, I like this.</p>
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		<title>By: Chickenhawk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chickenhawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2005 06:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Time to get the Winn rumors started again:
&quot;Astros could deal for Winn or Cruz
January 8
Chicago Tribune: &quot;Look for Houston to try to trade for Seattle&#039;s Randy Winn if it doesn&#039;t re-sign Beltran.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Time to get the Winn rumors started again:<br />
&#8220;Astros could deal for Winn or Cruz<br />
January 8<br />
Chicago Tribune: &#8220;Look for Houston to try to trade for Seattle&#8217;s Randy Winn if it doesn&#8217;t re-sign Beltran.&#8221;</p>
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