Comments on: Dave Hansen http://www.ussmariner.com/2005/04/28/dave-hansen/ Seattle Mariners blog and general baseball discussion Fri, 10 Sep 2010 14:00:43 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Travis http://www.ussmariner.com/2005/04/28/dave-hansen/comment-page-2/#comment-28741 Travis Tue, 10 May 2005 15:04:47 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=2487#comment-28741 David is my cousin and i haent seen him in like 10 years b/c hes to good to come see me even tho hes like rich and famous now and hes like my 2nd cousin or sumthing......... Travis wood David is my cousin and i haent seen him in like 10 years b/c hes to good to come see me even tho hes like rich and famous now and hes like my 2nd cousin or sumthing………
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]]> By: Bela Txadux http://www.ussmariner.com/2005/04/28/dave-hansen/comment-page-2/#comment-26305 Bela Txadux Fri, 29 Apr 2005 03:19:21 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=2487#comment-26305 I'm happy to hear that Dave Hansen is back in the Ms organization. I was sorry when he was traded last year, and thought the Ms should pick him up when he didn't stick with the Cubbies out of ST. As dw said far, far above, he is automatically the best pinchhitter on the roster. As Jon the Mon astutely rendered, he would actually be employed regularly if on the 25-man since it's weakhitting righthanded regulars whom Hargrove needs to pinch hit for with some frequency, and Hansen's a lefty. Furthermore, when Big Richie sits against a tough RH starter, we'd probably see Hansen at 1B, Raul DHing, and Winn in left which would be a better use of available resources than at present. Hansen does have a bit of power, unlike Dobbs, and probably more than Choo, too, and he is a 'professional hitter' who takes a walk: his numbers as a pinchhitter represent success, not failure, as he refused to get himself out on a bad pitch and gave the team a baserunner in the later innings. Most of the time he was pinchhitting with a man on, so he move up the runner, too. What's not to like? The 25-man could use a few more professional hitters, and I applaud that influence if and when Mr. Hansen makes it up. Of course, Hansen should replace Dobbs on the 25-man, but yes, it'll be Choo who goes down to play regularly. Which means that the big club won't have a 4th OFer again, which is ridiculous, but. I'd actually be happy to see Dobbs and Choo both go down, and Leone and Hansen come up. If the team won't carry a 4th OFer, it would be nice to at least get some power and walks off the bench. Hargrove isn't a fool, and now that he's had a chance to see his guys play a couple of dozen games which count he's getting the range on them. BTW, Grover's handling of the pitching staff is starting to get refined a bit, too, now that he's seen who's who. Today (Thursday) he pulled Meche at 100 pitches when a lefty who had taken him deep was coming up---but he didn't call in Eddie the Moneyman, who in my view needs to have his innings held down, not be over-exposed, and seldom used on consecutive days. Villone finished the eighth. Guardado came in for the ninth, threw strikes, and the game was over before Texas got a bead on him. I think Hargrove is beginning to weigh in on what he needs, and that's good. Bavasi won't be pulling a #1 starter out of the ashcan for him, but still Dave Hansen is _something_, and addresses a team need, so, bully! I’m happy to hear that Dave Hansen is back in the Ms organization. I was sorry when he was traded last year, and thought the Ms should pick him up when he didn’t stick with the Cubbies out of ST. As dw said far, far above, he is automatically the best pinchhitter on the roster. As Jon the Mon astutely rendered, he would actually be employed regularly if on the 25-man since it’s weakhitting righthanded regulars whom Hargrove needs to pinch hit for with some frequency, and Hansen’s a lefty. Furthermore, when Big Richie sits against a tough RH starter, we’d probably see Hansen at 1B, Raul DHing, and Winn in left which would be a better use of available resources than at present. Hansen does have a bit of power, unlike Dobbs, and probably more than Choo, too, and he is a ‘professional hitter’ who takes a walk: his numbers as a pinchhitter represent success, not failure, as he refused to get himself out on a bad pitch and gave the team a baserunner in the later innings. Most of the time he was pinchhitting with a man on, so he move up the runner, too. What’s not to like? The 25-man could use a few more professional hitters, and I applaud that influence if and when Mr. Hansen makes it up.

Of course, Hansen should replace Dobbs on the 25-man, but yes, it’ll be Choo who goes down to play regularly. Which means that the big club won’t have a 4th OFer again, which is ridiculous, but. I’d actually be happy to see Dobbs and Choo both go down, and Leone and Hansen come up. If the team won’t carry a 4th OFer, it would be nice to at least get some power and walks off the bench. Hargrove isn’t a fool, and now that he’s had a chance to see his guys play a couple of dozen games which count he’s getting the range on them.

BTW, Grover’s handling of the pitching staff is starting to get refined a bit, too, now that he’s seen who’s who. Today (Thursday) he pulled Meche at 100 pitches when a lefty who had taken him deep was coming up—but he didn’t call in Eddie the Moneyman, who in my view needs to have his innings held down, not be over-exposed, and seldom used on consecutive days. Villone finished the eighth. Guardado came in for the ninth, threw strikes, and the game was over before Texas got a bead on him. I think Hargrove is beginning to weigh in on what he needs, and that’s good. Bavasi won’t be pulling a #1 starter out of the ashcan for him, but still Dave Hansen is _something_, and addresses a team need, so, bully!

]]> By: G-Man http://www.ussmariner.com/2005/04/28/dave-hansen/comment-page-2/#comment-26204 G-Man Fri, 29 Apr 2005 01:48:01 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=2487#comment-26204 I like Hansen, those he sure tanked after he went back to the NL last season. I never realized how much more successful he was when he started for the M's rather than pinch hit. The makeup of the major league roster is saving Willie B's ass. Lots of 1B/3B guys, not too many outfielders, and no one else to back up at SS/2B. I know Leone has played SS in Tacoma in the past, but I'm sure he isn't considered viable for backup duty at short in Seattle. Pinch hitting for Valdez so frequently increases that need even more. Heck, they might as well have a Willie Bobblehead night, he's so indispensible. I like Hansen, those he sure tanked after he went back to the NL last season. I never realized how much more successful he was when he started for the M’s rather than pinch hit.

The makeup of the major league roster is saving Willie B’s ass. Lots of 1B/3B guys, not too many outfielders, and no one else to back up at SS/2B. I know Leone has played SS in Tacoma in the past, but I’m sure he isn’t considered viable for backup duty at short in Seattle. Pinch hitting for Valdez so frequently increases that need even more. Heck, they might as well have a Willie Bobblehead night, he’s so indispensible.

]]> By: David J Corcoran http://www.ussmariner.com/2005/04/28/dave-hansen/comment-page-2/#comment-26120 David J Corcoran Fri, 29 Apr 2005 00:32:44 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=2487#comment-26120 Ironically enough, the same day Dave Hansen gets a team, Jarvis gets recalled. Ironically enough, the same day Dave Hansen gets a team, Jarvis gets recalled.

]]> By: Jim Thomsen http://www.ussmariner.com/2005/04/28/dave-hansen/comment-page-2/#comment-26082 Jim Thomsen Thu, 28 Apr 2005 22:22:51 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=2487#comment-26082 Boy, sleep in and eat lunch out for one day and not boot up my computer till 2 p.m. ... and see what I miss. #45 — You're just flat wrong. There is no statistical evidence to justify the assertion that Dobbs can do what Hansen can do. Nine walks in 43 ABs? Dobbs has NEVER come close to that. 2001 (Everett and San Bernardino): 30 walks, 262 ABs. (Okay, he came close to halving it the one time.) 2002 (Wisconsin): 40 walks, 416 ABs. 2003: Injured 2004 (San Antonio, Tacoma, Seattle): 17 walks, 511 ABs. 2005 (Spring training): 2 walks, 52 ABs. Greg Dobbs hasn't had the least little bit of plate discipline or on-base skill since 2002. He can't get on base, nor can he hit well enough to make up for it with a consistent ability to advance baserunners. He is seriously deficient in the two primary elements of baseball offense. That's why Dave and others say he "sucks." Objectively, he does. Boy, sleep in and eat lunch out for one day and not boot up my computer till 2 p.m. … and see what I miss.

#45 — You’re just flat wrong. There is no statistical evidence to justify the assertion that Dobbs can do what Hansen can do. Nine walks in 43 ABs? Dobbs has NEVER come close to that.

2001 (Everett and San Bernardino): 30 walks, 262 ABs. (Okay, he came close to halving it the one time.)
2002 (Wisconsin): 40 walks, 416 ABs.
2003: Injured
2004 (San Antonio, Tacoma, Seattle): 17 walks, 511 ABs.
2005 (Spring training): 2 walks, 52 ABs.

Greg Dobbs hasn’t had the least little bit of plate discipline or on-base skill since 2002. He can’t get on base, nor can he hit well enough to make up for it with a consistent ability to advance baserunners. He is seriously deficient in the two primary elements of baseball offense.

That’s why Dave and others say he “sucks.”

Objectively, he does.

]]> By: Evan http://www.ussmariner.com/2005/04/28/dave-hansen/comment-page-2/#comment-26081 Evan Thu, 28 Apr 2005 21:43:53 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=2487#comment-26081 He looks like the better player. His swing is purty. He looks like the better player. His swing is purty.

]]> By: Dave http://www.ussmariner.com/2005/04/28/dave-hansen/comment-page-2/#comment-26079 Dave Thu, 28 Apr 2005 21:22:54 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=2487#comment-26079 It's a factor, but I'm pretty sure that if Leone were a lefty and Dobbs a righty, Dobbs would still be on the club. The organization just thinks he's far and away the better player. It’s a factor, but I’m pretty sure that if Leone were a lefty and Dobbs a righty, Dobbs would still be on the club. The organization just thinks he’s far and away the better player.

]]> By: Troy http://www.ussmariner.com/2005/04/28/dave-hansen/comment-page-2/#comment-26078 Troy Thu, 28 Apr 2005 21:19:07 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=2487#comment-26078 Jon, I think you may have just hit the nail on the head. Good call. Jon, I think you may have just hit the nail on the head. Good call.

]]> By: Jon Wells http://www.ussmariner.com/2005/04/28/dave-hansen/comment-page-2/#comment-26076 Jon Wells Thu, 28 Apr 2005 21:03:23 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=2487#comment-26076 One thing that's been ignored is the reason, however wrong it may be, why Hargrove has chosen to keep Dobbs over Leone and even brought up Choo over Leone. We don't have any left-handed hitters in our lineup that we regularly pinch-hit for(save for Reed against a tough lefty), thus Hargrove wants lefties on the bench. Late in games they pinch-hit for Valdez and whichever catcher is playing, Olivo or Wilson. All 3 are right-handed. Because he's so set on having lefties coming up against righties, etc. he feels that he doesnt't need Leone on the roster (because he wouldn's use him to hit against a right-handed pitcher -- even though he should). One thing that’s been ignored is the reason, however wrong it may be, why Hargrove has chosen to keep Dobbs over Leone and even brought up Choo over Leone. We don’t have any left-handed hitters in our lineup that we regularly pinch-hit for(save for Reed against a tough lefty), thus Hargrove wants lefties on the bench. Late in games they pinch-hit for Valdez and whichever catcher is playing, Olivo or Wilson. All 3 are right-handed. Because he’s so set on having lefties coming up against righties, etc. he feels that he doesnt’t need Leone on the roster (because he wouldn’s use him to hit against a right-handed pitcher — even though he should).

]]> By: Brian Rust http://www.ussmariner.com/2005/04/28/dave-hansen/comment-page-2/#comment-26072 Brian Rust Thu, 28 Apr 2005 20:39:56 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=2487#comment-26072 Not that development for internal needs matters much anyway. Your corner infielders are pretty much stuck at AAA for a while anyway. Not that development for internal needs matters much anyway. Your corner infielders are pretty much stuck at AAA for a while anyway.

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