Comments on: Run Values http://www.ussmariner.com/2005/11/28/run-values/ Seattle Mariners blog and general baseball discussion Thu, 09 Feb 2012 04:59:36 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: marc w. http://www.ussmariner.com/2005/11/28/run-values/comment-page-1/#comment-79420 marc w. Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:24:05 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=3145#comment-79420 it requires two runners on (and less than two outs)...if the batter doesn't run to first on an infield fly, that's his problem and the rule won't bail him out. It's to prevent a double play since the two runners couldn't advance if the ball is caught. Thus, the rule will be called for, guessing here, 5%-10% or so of IF fly balls. At most. Ray, on the off chance you're not a troll, go here: http://ask.yahoo.com/20040716.html it requires two runners on (and less than two outs)…if the batter doesn’t run to first on an infield fly, that’s his problem and the rule won’t bail him out. It’s to prevent a double play since the two runners couldn’t advance if the ball is caught. Thus, the rule will be called for, guessing here, 5%-10% or so of IF fly balls. At most.
Ray, on the off chance you’re not a troll, go here:
http://ask.yahoo.com/20040716.html

]]> By: DMZ http://www.ussmariner.com/2005/11/28/run-values/comment-page-1/#comment-79396 DMZ Wed, 30 Nov 2005 06:53:38 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=3145#comment-79396 <i>Sure, a infield fly rule isn’t called all the time, but I bet you it is called more often then not. I don’t think the RUN Value stat takes that into consideration. I can’t imagine the infield fly rule not being called more then 20% (although it seems like 10%).</i> Not being called more than 20. So you think it's 30? 40? 50? 60? 70? 80? 90? 100? Do you realize it requires at least one runner on to be called? Do you realize that pitchers throw with the bases empty about 60% of the time? Unless umpires are calling infield fly when there are no runners on, and doing so a lot, the upper limit of infield fly calls is 40% which means in 60% of the cases IT STILL WOULD NOT BE CALLED WHICH IS WHY IT IS WORTH KEEPING TRACK OF. Getting stats that good took me about 20s. Maybe next time you could do it yourself, eh? Sure, a infield fly rule isn’t called all the time, but I bet you it is called more often then not. I don’t think the RUN Value stat takes that into consideration. I can’t imagine the infield fly rule not being called more then 20% (although it seems like 10%).

Not being called more than 20. So you think it’s 30? 40? 50? 60? 70? 80? 90? 100?

Do you realize it requires at least one runner on to be called?

Do you realize that pitchers throw with the bases empty about 60% of the time?

Unless umpires are calling infield fly when there are no runners on, and doing so a lot, the upper limit of infield fly calls is 40% which means in 60% of the cases IT STILL WOULD NOT BE CALLED WHICH IS WHY IT IS WORTH KEEPING TRACK OF.

Getting stats that good took me about 20s. Maybe next time you could do it yourself, eh?

]]> By: ray http://www.ussmariner.com/2005/11/28/run-values/comment-page-1/#comment-79386 ray Wed, 30 Nov 2005 04:46:39 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=3145#comment-79386 Sure, a infield fly rule isn't called all the time, but I bet you it is called more often then not. I don't think the RUN Value stat takes that into consideration. I can't imagine the infield fly rule not being called more then 20% (although it seems like 10%). BTW, does anyone have the actual ratio of infield fly: infield fly rule called? It would also be interesting if anyone knew why an ump wouldn't call it? And the last question: how high does the ball have to travel to be considered a fly ball? I'm thinking of those times when the M's tried to bunt only to have it be caught before it hit the ground, and those hits that just land over the head of the pitcher, behind the mound. Sure, a infield fly rule isn’t called all the time, but I bet you it is called more often then not. I don’t think the RUN Value stat takes that into consideration. I can’t imagine the infield fly rule not being called more then 20% (although it seems like 10%). BTW, does anyone have the actual ratio of infield fly: infield fly rule called? It would also be interesting if anyone knew why an ump wouldn’t call it? And the last question: how high does the ball have to travel to be considered a fly ball? I’m thinking of those times when the M’s tried to bunt only to have it be caught before it hit the ground, and those hits that just land over the head of the pitcher, behind the mound.

]]> By: chaney http://www.ussmariner.com/2005/11/28/run-values/comment-page-1/#comment-79379 chaney Wed, 30 Nov 2005 03:32:49 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=3145#comment-79379 I think this data shows pretty clearly that inducing a groundball or a flyball is not the goal of a contact-oriented pitcher. The goal is to induce weak contact. The data shows a pretty clear difference between a weak popup and a towering scorcher that smacks against the very top of the center field wall, and I'm sure a pitcher would tell you that the execution of his pitch will have a strong influence on the outcome. I'd be interested to see a weak-contact / BIP average for pitchers. I'm sure it would help to separate those pitchers who achieved a "lucky" low BABIP and those who achieved a low BABIP through good pitch selection and execution. I think this data shows pretty clearly that inducing a groundball or a flyball is not the goal of a contact-oriented pitcher. The goal is to induce weak contact. The data shows a pretty clear difference between a weak popup and a towering scorcher that smacks against the very top of the center field wall, and I’m sure a pitcher would tell you that the execution of his pitch will have a strong influence on the outcome. I’d be interested to see a weak-contact / BIP average for pitchers. I’m sure it would help to separate those pitchers who achieved a “lucky” low BABIP and those who achieved a low BABIP through good pitch selection and execution.

]]> By: marc w. http://www.ussmariner.com/2005/11/28/run-values/comment-page-1/#comment-79294 marc w. Tue, 29 Nov 2005 07:27:41 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=3145#comment-79294 Dave, Wasn't a supposed ability to limit line drives a possible cause for knuckleballers' (and Jamie Moyer's) ability to limit BABIP to a range lower than that for the league as a whole? Are we back to square one as to why Charlie Hough continually kept his BABIP down? fascinating... Dave,

Wasn’t a supposed ability to limit line drives a possible cause for knuckleballers’ (and Jamie Moyer’s) ability to limit BABIP to a range lower than that for the league as a whole? Are we back to square one as to why Charlie Hough continually kept his BABIP down?
fascinating…

]]> By: Dave http://www.ussmariner.com/2005/11/28/run-values/comment-page-1/#comment-79287 Dave Tue, 29 Nov 2005 06:09:15 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=3145#comment-79287 I'm fairly certain that the THT Annual will be carried at all major bookstores. Call your local Barnes and Noble and see if they have any. I’m fairly certain that the THT Annual will be carried at all major bookstores. Call your local Barnes and Noble and see if they have any.

]]> By: Mat http://www.ussmariner.com/2005/11/28/run-values/comment-page-1/#comment-79286 Mat Tue, 29 Nov 2005 06:01:30 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=3145#comment-79286 Are there any bookstores in the Seattle area that will be carrying the HT Annual? I'm not totally against online purchasing, but it's always a pain receiving packages at my place, so I prefer buying in person when it's convenient. Thanks. Are there any bookstores in the Seattle area that will be carrying the HT Annual? I’m not totally against online purchasing, but it’s always a pain receiving packages at my place, so I prefer buying in person when it’s convenient. Thanks.

]]> By: DMZ http://www.ussmariner.com/2005/11/28/run-values/comment-page-1/#comment-79285 DMZ Tue, 29 Nov 2005 05:52:43 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=3145#comment-79285 "Why even consider the infield fly when there is the infield fly rule?" Because the infield fly rule isn't called all the time? “Why even consider the infield fly when there is the infield fly rule?”

Because the infield fly rule isn’t called all the time?

]]> By: ray http://www.ussmariner.com/2005/11/28/run-values/comment-page-1/#comment-79283 ray Tue, 29 Nov 2005 05:47:09 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=3145#comment-79283 Why even consider the infield fly when there is the infield fly rule? I think that is one unneeded stat because umps will always call it an out regadless if it is caught or not. And I'm not talking about the exceptions (so few) of the dunderhead players who can't decide who should catch the ball. Why even consider the infield fly when there is the infield fly rule? I think that is one unneeded stat because umps will always call it an out regadless if it is caught or not. And I’m not talking about the exceptions (so few) of the dunderhead players who can’t decide who should catch the ball.

]]> By: ray http://www.ussmariner.com/2005/11/28/run-values/comment-page-1/#comment-79250 ray Tue, 29 Nov 2005 03:28:03 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=3145#comment-79250 Okay all we need now are stats of type of bat used when the ball is in play, and type of glove used to catch the ball when the ball is in play Anything else? Okay all we need now are stats of type of bat used when the ball is in play, and type of glove used to catch the ball when the ball is in play Anything else?

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