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		<title>By: MikeQ</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2005/11/30/todays-insane-market-news/comment-page-3/#comment-79648</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2005 00:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#130 - Does anyone know if the White Sox are going to raise their payroll significantly?

Not by more than 5-10, maybe 15 million, which still gives them some breathing room. They have Everett, Thomas, Aaron Rowand, Timo Perez, and Ben Davis coming off the books for a total of 20+ million. 

So if they stand pat now, they might even lose payroll, depending on arbitration eligible players like Pierzynski, Garland, and Crede get. Actually, that&#039;s unlikely. But it shouldn&#039;t increase by much. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#130 &#8211; Does anyone know if the White Sox are going to raise their payroll significantly?</p>
<p>Not by more than 5-10, maybe 15 million, which still gives them some breathing room. They have Everett, Thomas, Aaron Rowand, Timo Perez, and Ben Davis coming off the books for a total of 20+ million. </p>
<p>So if they stand pat now, they might even lose payroll, depending on arbitration eligible players like Pierzynski, Garland, and Crede get. Actually, that&#8217;s unlikely. But it shouldn&#8217;t increase by much.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Snow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Snow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2005 21:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Nationals aren&#039;t sold yet. They may have turned a profit during their DC honeymoon, but they&#039;re still owned by MLB.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Nationals aren&#8217;t sold yet. They may have turned a profit during their DC honeymoon, but they&#8217;re still owned by MLB.</p>
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		<title>By: brad Russell</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2005/11/30/todays-insane-market-news/comment-page-3/#comment-79617</link>
		<dc:creator>brad Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2005 20:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Ineresting read in this weeks S.I. regarding increased funds to all MLB teams.Apparently 2mil for Satellite radio,10+ mil. for Internet, and an equal split of 450 Mil from the sale of the Expos/Nationals.
   All new monies..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ineresting read in this weeks S.I. regarding increased funds to all MLB teams.Apparently 2mil for Satellite radio,10+ mil. for Internet, and an equal split of 450 Mil from the sale of the Expos/Nationals.<br />
   All new monies..</p>
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		<title>By: Evan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2005 17:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you seen a Jays game recently?  They haven&#039;t filled SkyDome beyond half-full since 1997.

That said, all that money is newly theirs since they got the government to give them the stadium last winter.

And they&#039;re owned by a media conglomerate...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you seen a Jays game recently?  They haven&#8217;t filled SkyDome beyond half-full since 1997.</p>
<p>That said, all that money is newly theirs since they got the government to give them the stadium last winter.</p>
<p>And they&#8217;re owned by a media conglomerate&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: chris w</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris w</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2005 17:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No. 132... 

To simply call Giles 15-HR hitter, when he&#039;s a pull-hitting lefty in Petco Park, is ridiculous.  He&#039;d have hit 25 HRs in Safeco.  And I didn&#039;t just make that number up.  Check out the percentage of Giles&#039; extra base hits that were HR compared to anyone else in baseball.  Giles is at about 24%.  The rest of baseball is at 35-40%...  To get to 35-40%, Giles would have had to hit about 10 more HR.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No. 132&#8230; </p>
<p>To simply call Giles 15-HR hitter, when he&#8217;s a pull-hitting lefty in Petco Park, is ridiculous.  He&#8217;d have hit 25 HRs in Safeco.  And I didn&#8217;t just make that number up.  Check out the percentage of Giles&#8217; extra base hits that were HR compared to anyone else in baseball.  Giles is at about 24%.  The rest of baseball is at 35-40%&#8230;  To get to 35-40%, Giles would have had to hit about 10 more HR.</p>
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		<title>By: Gag Harbor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gag Harbor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2005 17:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The owners aren&#039;t on crack, their on &quot;profit&quot;.   They have the money to toss around and are doing it (especially in Toronto, NY, Baltimore, etc.).   As long as they keep raising ticket prices and we keep paying, the teams will have plenty of money to spend like drunken sailors.

Giles is a nice player and given this off season, his contract is probably ok but he wasn&#039;t going to do all that much for Seattle&#039;s needs.   He hit 15 homeruns last year and played 11 games in Denver.  I think Bavasi would have liked to think he&#039;d get a few more homers for $10 mil.  I mean, Ichiro can hit 15 excuse-me-homers and is not considered a &quot;lefthandedbopper&quot; like Bavasi said he was after.

I expect a Millwood/Burnett signing + a trade or two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The owners aren&#8217;t on crack, their on &#8220;profit&#8221;.   They have the money to toss around and are doing it (especially in Toronto, NY, Baltimore, etc.).   As long as they keep raising ticket prices and we keep paying, the teams will have plenty of money to spend like drunken sailors.</p>
<p>Giles is a nice player and given this off season, his contract is probably ok but he wasn&#8217;t going to do all that much for Seattle&#8217;s needs.   He hit 15 homeruns last year and played 11 games in Denver.  I think Bavasi would have liked to think he&#8217;d get a few more homers for $10 mil.  I mean, Ichiro can hit 15 excuse-me-homers and is not considered a &#8220;lefthandedbopper&#8221; like Bavasi said he was after.</p>
<p>I expect a Millwood/Burnett signing + a trade or two.</p>
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		<title>By: msb</title>
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		<dc:creator>msb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2005 16:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#119--&quot;I wonder if this will actually depress some of the pricing on what bats remain in the market?&quot;

no, because everyone can see Giles took fewer years &amp; less money to stay in San Diego, and they will write it off as an exception.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#119&#8211;&#8221;I wonder if this will actually depress some of the pricing on what bats remain in the market?&#8221;</p>
<p>no, because everyone can see Giles took fewer years &amp; less money to stay in San Diego, and they will write it off as an exception.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2005 16:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Giles&#039; contract is a steal.  I would have gladly paid that for him to be a Mariner.

Konerko is a WARP 4 player who had ONE big year.  I don&#039;t think Giles will get back to his WARP 10 level, but he&#039;s WARP 6 or 7 and was better than Konerko last year.  Even though he&#039;s five years older, I expect Giles will be better (and paid much less) than Konerko in each of the next two years.  Maybe in 2008 when Giles is 37 and Konerko is 32, Konerko will be better.

Does anyone know if the White Sox are raising their payroll significantly?  They just added Thome and Konerko at ~$20M next year and the only significant salary cut was Frank Thomas, who I think they still paid $3M NOT to play for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Giles&#8217; contract is a steal.  I would have gladly paid that for him to be a Mariner.</p>
<p>Konerko is a WARP 4 player who had ONE big year.  I don&#8217;t think Giles will get back to his WARP 10 level, but he&#8217;s WARP 6 or 7 and was better than Konerko last year.  Even though he&#8217;s five years older, I expect Giles will be better (and paid much less) than Konerko in each of the next two years.  Maybe in 2008 when Giles is 37 and Konerko is 32, Konerko will be better.</p>
<p>Does anyone know if the White Sox are raising their payroll significantly?  They just added Thome and Konerko at ~$20M next year and the only significant salary cut was Frank Thomas, who I think they still paid $3M NOT to play for them.</p>
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		<title>By: roger tang</title>
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		<dc:creator>roger tang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2005 15:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huh?

I think that baseball is the sport where &quot;chemistry&quot; has the LEAST importance.

There are clear examples in football (offensive line play, QB/receiver teamwork) and basketball (again, defense, offensive set plays, etc.) where coordination has interaction effects that you can&#039;t derive from individual play alone.

In baseball, it&#039;s the pitcher vs. batter that dominates all. And there are lineup construction efficiencies that have to be considered (to maximize offense and defense simultaneously). But chemistry? I just don&#039;t see it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh?</p>
<p>I think that baseball is the sport where &#8220;chemistry&#8221; has the LEAST importance.</p>
<p>There are clear examples in football (offensive line play, QB/receiver teamwork) and basketball (again, defense, offensive set plays, etc.) where coordination has interaction effects that you can&#8217;t derive from individual play alone.</p>
<p>In baseball, it&#8217;s the pitcher vs. batter that dominates all. And there are lineup construction efficiencies that have to be considered (to maximize offense and defense simultaneously). But chemistry? I just don&#8217;t see it.</p>
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		<title>By: petec</title>
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		<dc:creator>petec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2005 15:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Baseball is unique, in that CHEMISTRY is more important than in any other sport&quot;

This sounds like a &quot;calls a good game&quot; type of claim.  Please back this up, because from where I sit, &quot;chemistry&quot; is something to which you attribute success after the fact.  If a team was successful, it had &quot;chemistry&quot;.  If it wasn&#039;t, it didn&#039;t.  And, as I&#039;ve said before, you can&#039;t exactly plan for it in roster construction anyway, unless you just decide to sign &quot;good guys&quot; and hope for the best.  We can see where this strategy has gotten the M&#039;s in recent years.

There are plenty of examples of teams where the players reportedly didn&#039;t get along, but won.  Give me a few examples of this chemistry you speak of.

I&#039;d argue that baseball requires the least amount of whatever it is.  In baseball, each guy is doing his individual job, and isn&#039;t very relieant on teammates.  In basketball, it&#039;s all about teamwork, passing, setting picks, rebounding, etc.  What you do has a direct impact on the other guys.  Look at the 2004-05 Sonics vs the 2005-06 version for a glaring example of chemistry gone wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Baseball is unique, in that CHEMISTRY is more important than in any other sport&#8221;</p>
<p>This sounds like a &#8220;calls a good game&#8221; type of claim.  Please back this up, because from where I sit, &#8220;chemistry&#8221; is something to which you attribute success after the fact.  If a team was successful, it had &#8220;chemistry&#8221;.  If it wasn&#8217;t, it didn&#8217;t.  And, as I&#8217;ve said before, you can&#8217;t exactly plan for it in roster construction anyway, unless you just decide to sign &#8220;good guys&#8221; and hope for the best.  We can see where this strategy has gotten the M&#8217;s in recent years.</p>
<p>There are plenty of examples of teams where the players reportedly didn&#8217;t get along, but won.  Give me a few examples of this chemistry you speak of.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d argue that baseball requires the least amount of whatever it is.  In baseball, each guy is doing his individual job, and isn&#8217;t very relieant on teammates.  In basketball, it&#8217;s all about teamwork, passing, setting picks, rebounding, etc.  What you do has a direct impact on the other guys.  Look at the 2004-05 Sonics vs the 2005-06 version for a glaring example of chemistry gone wrong.</p>
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