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		<title>By: Doug</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2005/12/05/trade-value/comment-page-2/#comment-80850</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2005 18:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Met fan here, and I have been arguing that there are 3 guys I would consider trade D. Wright for, and they are the top 3 on your list.  When someone brought up Felix, I told them I would think about it.  So basically, I think you nailed it.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Met fan here, and I have been arguing that there are 3 guys I would consider trade D. Wright for, and they are the top 3 on your list.  When someone brought up Felix, I told them I would think about it.  So basically, I think you nailed it.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Towarnicky</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2005/12/05/trade-value/comment-page-2/#comment-80840</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Towarnicky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2005 17:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I apologize if this is a duplicate post.  Computer glitches apparently deleted my post before I sent it. 

Great Article.  Well reasoned.

But I think that you should have found a place for CCSabathia.  IMO, every team would be interested if he were available.  He&#039;s not 25 yet, a lefty with lots of tools, five years AVERAGING 195 innings per year, not overworked but consistent. In addition, he already has a top 10 finish is wins, era, strikeouts, etc.  I believe he&#039;s poised to put these great tools/skills/output together for a few years. 

Even if he never makes the jump, you get 200 innings of better than league average pitching from a lefty who can have dominant stretches.

He&#039;s got some conditioning issues but can you say Mickey Lolich?  And he&#039;s just now starting to earn some $$$.

Joe   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I apologize if this is a duplicate post.  Computer glitches apparently deleted my post before I sent it. </p>
<p>Great Article.  Well reasoned.</p>
<p>But I think that you should have found a place for CCSabathia.  IMO, every team would be interested if he were available.  He&#8217;s not 25 yet, a lefty with lots of tools, five years AVERAGING 195 innings per year, not overworked but consistent. In addition, he already has a top 10 finish is wins, era, strikeouts, etc.  I believe he&#8217;s poised to put these great tools/skills/output together for a few years. </p>
<p>Even if he never makes the jump, you get 200 innings of better than league average pitching from a lefty who can have dominant stretches.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s got some conditioning issues but can you say Mickey Lolich?  And he&#8217;s just now starting to earn some $$$.</p>
<p>Joe</p>
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		<title>By: Mat</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2005/12/05/trade-value/comment-page-2/#comment-80428</link>
		<dc:creator>Mat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2005 08:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evan -

Exactly, I used counting stats.  Pitchers are no good to the team if they can&#039;t stay on the mound.  Health is an ability.  But go ahead, use rate stats, even then, there&#039;s no way Halladay looks &quot;easily better&quot; than Santana.

Take Support Neutral Value Added over Replacement, Lineup-adjusted (SNLVAR), per 10 starts for 2003-2005, since that was the original time frame.  Santana comes out with 2.5 wins per 10 starts while Halladay grades out to 2.3 wins per 10 starts.  Per Clay Davenport&#039;s translated statistics, Halladay has about 6.8 K/9 for the last three season, Santana has about a 9.3 K/9.  Halladay has about a 1.2 BB/9 the last three seasons, Santana has a 1.8 BB/9 or so.  Santana&#039;s HR/9 is .8, Halladay&#039;s is .7.  

Halladay has no obvious edges on Santana, and Santana&#039;s been healthier.  Santana&#039;s better than Halladay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evan -</p>
<p>Exactly, I used counting stats.  Pitchers are no good to the team if they can&#8217;t stay on the mound.  Health is an ability.  But go ahead, use rate stats, even then, there&#8217;s no way Halladay looks &#8220;easily better&#8221; than Santana.</p>
<p>Take Support Neutral Value Added over Replacement, Lineup-adjusted (SNLVAR), per 10 starts for 2003-2005, since that was the original time frame.  Santana comes out with 2.5 wins per 10 starts while Halladay grades out to 2.3 wins per 10 starts.  Per Clay Davenport&#8217;s translated statistics, Halladay has about 6.8 K/9 for the last three season, Santana has about a 9.3 K/9.  Halladay has about a 1.2 BB/9 the last three seasons, Santana has a 1.8 BB/9 or so.  Santana&#8217;s HR/9 is .8, Halladay&#8217;s is .7.  </p>
<p>Halladay has no obvious edges on Santana, and Santana&#8217;s been healthier.  Santana&#8217;s better than Halladay.</p>
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		<title>By: bookbook</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2005/12/05/trade-value/comment-page-2/#comment-80388</link>
		<dc:creator>bookbook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2005 04:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I might rank Oswalt even higher.

I&#039;d have to think that injury risk alone makes Nick Johnson less valuable a commodity than a few guys not on this list. 

Hank Blalock? I still believe.

After Felix, there aren&#039;t many Mariners sniffing the top 100. And that, my friends, is why we&#039;re fighting to find a way out of 4th place...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I might rank Oswalt even higher.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d have to think that injury risk alone makes Nick Johnson less valuable a commodity than a few guys not on this list. </p>
<p>Hank Blalock? I still believe.</p>
<p>After Felix, there aren&#8217;t many Mariners sniffing the top 100. And that, my friends, is why we&#8217;re fighting to find a way out of 4th place&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ray</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2005/12/05/trade-value/comment-page-2/#comment-80361</link>
		<dc:creator>ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2005 01:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very nice. I can&#039;t wait for the top 40 worst list (least tradable).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very nice. I can&#8217;t wait for the top 40 worst list (least tradable).</p>
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		<title>By: Evan</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2005/12/05/trade-value/comment-page-2/#comment-80233</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2005 21:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt - Way to use counting stats when Halladay didn&#039;t pitch a full season.

Using your numbers, Santana managed a WARP3 of 9.1 in 33 starts.
Halladay got his 6.9 in only 19 starts (before a line drive broke his leg).  WARP3/start, Halladay beat Santana by over 30%.

That&#039;s a pretty big margin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt &#8211; Way to use counting stats when Halladay didn&#8217;t pitch a full season.</p>
<p>Using your numbers, Santana managed a WARP3 of 9.1 in 33 starts.<br />
Halladay got his 6.9 in only 19 starts (before a line drive broke his leg).  WARP3/start, Halladay beat Santana by over 30%.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a pretty big margin.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2005 21:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh I think the extra million to get Spiezo NOT playing is money very well spent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh I think the extra million to get Spiezo NOT playing is money very well spent.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2005/12/05/trade-value/comment-page-2/#comment-80198</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2005 20:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By paying Scott Spiezio $4 million a year not to play, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By paying Scott Spiezio $4 million a year not to play, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: chico ruiz</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2005/12/05/trade-value/comment-page-2/#comment-80196</link>
		<dc:creator>chico ruiz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2005 20:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re the bottom 40: Aren&#039;t the Mariners still paying Scott Spiezio $3 million for 2006? How could you do worse than that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re the bottom 40: Aren&#8217;t the Mariners still paying Scott Spiezio $3 million for 2006? How could you do worse than that?</p>
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		<title>By: Morisseau</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2005/12/05/trade-value/comment-page-2/#comment-80192</link>
		<dc:creator>Morisseau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2005 20:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice. Thanks Dave.</description>
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