Comments on: The 3.20 ERA http://www.ussmariner.com/2005/12/17/the-320-era/ Seattle Mariners blog and general baseball discussion Thu, 09 Feb 2012 04:59:36 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Evan http://www.ussmariner.com/2005/12/17/the-320-era/comment-page-5/#comment-83434 Evan Mon, 19 Dec 2005 23:07:26 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=3208#comment-83434 Joran: <i>He is good.</i> No, he's not. There is no evidence that Washburn is good. Joran:

He is good.

No, he’s not. There is no evidence that Washburn is good.

]]> By: eponymous coward http://www.ussmariner.com/2005/12/17/the-320-era/comment-page-5/#comment-83413 eponymous coward Mon, 19 Dec 2005 21:53:04 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=3208#comment-83413 That should read: "Again, that’s not to say some of the individual decisions don't have some merit..." That should read: “Again, that’s not to say some of the individual decisions don’t have some merit…”

]]> By: eponymous coward http://www.ussmariner.com/2005/12/17/the-320-era/comment-page-5/#comment-83412 eponymous coward Mon, 19 Dec 2005 21:51:27 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=3208#comment-83412 The Moyer, Guardado and Johjima signings are potentially OK, but the problem is when you start putting them in the context of the entire 2005-2006 offseason, you start seeing a rather bad trend- pretty much every free agent/resigning is someone on the wrong side of 30, being signed to a team that desperately needs talent infusions of young players to establish a base to work with for a multiyear run at contention, as opposed to one-off deals that fix problems for a year on an established team (stuff you see 90+ win teams do more often). (Some of this goes away if the Arroyo/Reed deal goes away, of course, or if we get an alternative that doesn't inivolve Preston Wilson). Baltimore is Prosecution Exhibit A as to why this strategy doesn't work. They've been trying this strategy of going from a Gillick-led contender to a nonentity for 8 years, and what it nets them is a 70-80 win team that always has major problems getting over any kind of a hump, but pays premium money for the privilege of being bad to mediocre. Again, that's not to say some of the individual decisions have some merit- but I look at the sum total of this offseason and it's $85 million of disappointment. The Moyer, Guardado and Johjima signings are potentially OK, but the problem is when you start putting them in the context of the entire 2005-2006 offseason, you start seeing a rather bad trend- pretty much every free agent/resigning is someone on the wrong side of 30, being signed to a team that desperately needs talent infusions of young players to establish a base to work with for a multiyear run at contention, as opposed to one-off deals that fix problems for a year on an established team (stuff you see 90+ win teams do more often).

(Some of this goes away if the Arroyo/Reed deal goes away, of course, or if we get an alternative that doesn’t inivolve Preston Wilson).

Baltimore is Prosecution Exhibit A as to why this strategy doesn’t work. They’ve been trying this strategy of going from a Gillick-led contender to a nonentity for 8 years, and what it nets them is a 70-80 win team that always has major problems getting over any kind of a hump, but pays premium money for the privilege of being bad to mediocre.

Again, that’s not to say some of the individual decisions have some merit- but I look at the sum total of this offseason and it’s $85 million of disappointment.

]]> By: joran http://www.ussmariner.com/2005/12/17/the-320-era/comment-page-5/#comment-83405 joran Mon, 19 Dec 2005 21:40:30 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=3208#comment-83405 220- So you dont like the Moyer signing?!!!!!!!!!! 220- So you dont like the Moyer signing?!!!!!!!!!!

]]> By: joran http://www.ussmariner.com/2005/12/17/the-320-era/comment-page-5/#comment-83402 joran Mon, 19 Dec 2005 21:38:10 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=3208#comment-83402 So, let me get this straight. You guys think a good flyball pither at safeco is a bad idea. He fits perfectly. He has played in the saem league so he knows the hitters. He knows the ins and outs of teh Angels. He is good. Sure washburn is not better than Millwood, but what if Millwood does not want to come to the Mariners, who else ya gonna get. Some of you guys are going to give up on a 24 year old prospect, and get a old player in the decline of his career. Not to be mean, but thats plain, down right STUPID. So, let me get this straight. You guys think a good flyball pither at safeco is a bad idea. He fits perfectly. He has played in the saem league so he knows the hitters. He knows the ins and outs of teh Angels. He is good. Sure washburn is not better than Millwood, but what if Millwood does not want to come to the Mariners, who else ya gonna get.

Some of you guys are going to give up on a 24 year old prospect, and get a old player in the decline of his career. Not to be mean, but thats plain, down right STUPID.

]]> By: joran http://www.ussmariner.com/2005/12/17/the-320-era/comment-page-5/#comment-83399 joran Mon, 19 Dec 2005 21:35:14 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=3208#comment-83399 So, let me get this straight. You guys think a good flyball pither at safeco is a bad idea. He fits perfectly. He has played in the saem league so he knows the hitters. He knows the ins and outs of teh Angels. He is good. Sure washburn is not better than Millwood, but what if Millwood does not want to come to the Mariners, who else ya gonna get. So, let me get this straight. You guys think a good flyball pither at safeco is a bad idea. He fits perfectly. He has played in the saem league so he knows the hitters. He knows the ins and outs of teh Angels. He is good. Sure washburn is not better than Millwood, but what if Millwood does not want to come to the Mariners, who else ya gonna get.

]]> By: Mat http://www.ussmariner.com/2005/12/17/the-320-era/comment-page-5/#comment-83292 Mat Mon, 19 Dec 2005 10:02:44 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=3208#comment-83292 #216 So, you're not happy with year-to-year correlation as a measure of the predictive abilities of a statistic. What test would be more appropriate? #216 So, you’re not happy with year-to-year correlation as a measure of the predictive abilities of a statistic. What test would be more appropriate?

]]> By: Southpaw http://www.ussmariner.com/2005/12/17/the-320-era/comment-page-5/#comment-83291 Southpaw Mon, 19 Dec 2005 07:01:31 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=3208#comment-83291 As I said, being the main reason I was so upset at the Everett signing, no, it appears they have learned precious little if anything at all. As I said, being the main reason I was so upset at the Everett signing, no, it appears they have learned precious little if anything at all.

]]> By: eponymous coward http://www.ussmariner.com/2005/12/17/the-320-era/comment-page-5/#comment-83285 eponymous coward Mon, 19 Dec 2005 05:21:04 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=3208#comment-83285 Well, let's see. If we sign trade Reed for Arroyo and sign Preston Wilson and Washburn, here's what some of our major offseason moves will be: - signing a 30 year old C to a 3 year deal - resigning a 42 year old SP and a 35 year old RP - adding a 35 year old DH with injury history - replacing a 24 year old CF with a 30 year old CF - signing a 31 year old P with injury history Am I the only person thinking this sounds like an offseason you'd expect the Baltimore Orioles to do? I mean, wow- pretty much almost every move managed to add age on the wrong side of 30 to a team that lost 90+ games (with the exception of the Torrealba deal + getting Arroyo back, hypothetically)... and part of the reason for those teams losing 90+ games? Too many old players. You have to wonder- did these guys learn NOTHING from the last few years? Well, let’s see. If we sign trade Reed for Arroyo and sign Preston Wilson and Washburn, here’s what some of our major offseason moves will be:

- signing a 30 year old C to a 3 year deal
- resigning a 42 year old SP and a 35 year old RP
- adding a 35 year old DH with injury history
- replacing a 24 year old CF with a 30 year old CF
- signing a 31 year old P with injury history

Am I the only person thinking this sounds like an offseason you’d expect the Baltimore Orioles to do? I mean, wow- pretty much almost every move managed to add age on the wrong side of 30 to a team that lost 90+ games (with the exception of the Torrealba deal + getting Arroyo back, hypothetically)… and part of the reason for those teams losing 90+ games? Too many old players.

You have to wonder- did these guys learn NOTHING from the last few years?

]]> By: Jim Thomsen http://www.ussmariner.com/2005/12/17/the-320-era/comment-page-5/#comment-83284 Jim Thomsen Mon, 19 Dec 2005 04:49:40 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=3208#comment-83284 Well, a key domino just tumbled toward a Jeremy Reed trade. Nomar Garciaparra agreed to terms with the Dodgers, meaning that Cleveland is now more likely to hang on to Coco Crisp instead of dealing him for Matt Clement or Bronson Arroyo. That means that if the Johnny Damon talks fall apart, the Red Sox may be scope-locked on Jeremy. And with fewer center field options available to Boston, the Mariners just may be able to extort a little more than Bronson Pinchot ... er, "Balki" Arroyo. Well, a key domino just tumbled toward a Jeremy Reed trade.

Nomar Garciaparra agreed to terms with the Dodgers, meaning that Cleveland is now more likely to hang on to Coco Crisp instead of dealing him for Matt Clement or Bronson Arroyo. That means that if the Johnny Damon talks fall apart, the Red Sox may be scope-locked on Jeremy. And with fewer center field options available to Boston, the Mariners just may be able to extort a little more than Bronson Pinchot … er, “Balki” Arroyo.

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