Comments on: This and that http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/06/21/this-and-that/ Seattle Mariners blog and general baseball discussion Thu, 09 Feb 2012 04:59:36 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: terry http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/06/21/this-and-that/comment-page-4/#comment-116353 terry Thu, 22 Jun 2006 12:07:22 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/06/21/this-and-that/#comment-116353 and thank god he was if he was.... and thank god he was if he was….

]]> By: LB http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/06/21/this-and-that/comment-page-4/#comment-116348 LB Thu, 22 Jun 2006 07:23:32 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/06/21/this-and-that/#comment-116348 #48: The Jason Johnson story gets better. The Red Sox aren't exactly getting JJ for cash. Instead, they get Johnson <i>and</i> cash for a PTBNL or cash. The Hartford Courant <a href="http://www.courant.com/sports/baseball/hc-soxnotes0622.artjun22,0,579796.story?coll=hc-headlines-baseball" rel="nofollow"> reports</a> that, "The Red Sox will pay a little more than half of the $2.5 million remaining on Johnson's contract." Perhaps the time zones made all the difference. Bavasi could very well have been whacking on his snooze button while Epstein was putting together this deal for Boston. #48: The Jason Johnson story gets better. The Red Sox aren’t exactly getting JJ for cash. Instead, they get Johnson and cash for a PTBNL or cash.

The Hartford Courant
reports that, “The Red Sox will pay a little more than half of the $2.5 million remaining on Johnson’s contract.”

Perhaps the time zones made all the difference. Bavasi could very well have been whacking on his snooze button while Epstein was putting together this deal for Boston.

]]> By: BelaXadux http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/06/21/this-and-that/comment-page-4/#comment-116202 BelaXadux Thu, 22 Jun 2006 03:44:54 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/06/21/this-and-that/#comment-116202 "Why are the sending Clement to Tacoma?" Clement, right now, is a better hitter than two-thirds of the Ms non-pitchers on the 25-man, with more power. The Ms back-up catcher, Rivera couldn't hit a pitch if he set up a roadblock; he's useless beyond catch-and-throw (and you're welcome to debate how useful'less he is even at that). Clement was set low in San Antone to work on his catching, but the Ms clearly want his bat up north as soon as possible. I had figured we'd see Clement in '07, but I'd say now it's a good bet he's here before September. With Beltre and Sexson looking like three-legged turtles at the plate for most of this year, DH an open position, and CF just about the same, the Ms are going to need some real bats again when we get to the offseason. I have a feeling they want to see Jeff Clement get 70-80 ABs against Big League pitching by then to get a feel for what they've got and when they'll get it. “Why are the sending Clement to Tacoma?”

Clement, right now, is a better hitter than two-thirds of the Ms non-pitchers on the 25-man, with more power. The Ms back-up catcher, Rivera couldn’t hit a pitch if he set up a roadblock; he’s useless beyond catch-and-throw (and you’re welcome to debate how useful’less he is even at that). Clement was set low in San Antone to work on his catching, but the Ms clearly want his bat up north as soon as possible. I had figured we’d see Clement in ’07, but I’d say now it’s a good bet he’s here before September.

With Beltre and Sexson looking like three-legged turtles at the plate for most of this year, DH an open position, and CF just about the same, the Ms are going to need some real bats again when we get to the offseason. I have a feeling they want to see Jeff Clement get 70-80 ABs against Big League pitching by then to get a feel for what they’ve got and when they’ll get it.

]]> By: BelaXadux http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/06/21/this-and-that/comment-page-4/#comment-116176 BelaXadux Thu, 22 Jun 2006 03:11:36 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/06/21/this-and-that/#comment-116176 June, '06 : August, '05 June, ’06 : August, ’05

]]> By: BelaXadux http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/06/21/this-and-that/comment-page-4/#comment-116159 BelaXadux Thu, 22 Jun 2006 03:02:20 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/06/21/this-and-that/#comment-116159 Re: Beltre's June, '05 : August, '06 Dave, that's _exactly what I thought when I read the post. Adrian will have a 'hot month' here and there where he stings a bunch of line drives and ups his SLG; it's his career pattern. His June isn't evidence that 'he's getting better,' it's evidence that he's exactly who he's always been. . . . That's the problem. Re: Beltre’s June, ’05 : August, ’06 Dave, that’s _exactly what I thought when I read the post. Adrian will have a ‘hot month’ here and there where he stings a bunch of line drives and ups his SLG; it’s his career pattern. His June isn’t evidence that ‘he’s getting better,’ it’s evidence that he’s exactly who he’s always been.

. . . That’s the problem.

]]> By: terry http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/06/21/this-and-that/comment-page-4/#comment-116097 terry Thu, 22 Jun 2006 01:53:26 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/06/21/this-and-that/#comment-116097 theyre both up AND out :-) theyre both up AND out :-)

]]> By: Ralph Malph http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/06/21/this-and-that/comment-page-4/#comment-116091 Ralph Malph Thu, 22 Jun 2006 01:23:27 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/06/21/this-and-that/#comment-116091 Johnson's HR's are "up" this year, not "out". Johnson’s HR’s are “up” this year, not “out”.

]]> By: Ralph Malph http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/06/21/this-and-that/comment-page-4/#comment-116090 Ralph Malph Thu, 22 Jun 2006 01:22:32 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/06/21/this-and-that/#comment-116090 It's interesting to look at Johnson's GB/FB ratio year by year over his career (beginning in 1998): .69-.83-.92-1.09-1.18-1.31-1.68-1.74-2.85 It seems like he's been figuring something out. All his peripheral numbers have been pretty stable throughout until this year when his Opp. BA has jumped up to .341 and his HR's are out. To me that looks like a lot of groundballs have been finding the holes this year and some flyballs have drifted out. While Pineiro's G/F is up some this year, his other peripherals have declined <b>enormously</b>. His K rate is way down, he's throwing a ton of pitches per batter (4.00), and his walks are up. I don't see much reason for optimism in that. Yes, Pineiro could be figuring out a new style of pitching. But betting on guys to become the next Jamie Moyer when they lose their stuff is not a winning proposition. It’s interesting to look at Johnson’s GB/FB ratio year by year over his career (beginning in 1998):

.69-.83-.92-1.09-1.18-1.31-1.68-1.74-2.85

It seems like he’s been figuring something out.
All his peripheral numbers have been pretty stable throughout until this year when his Opp. BA has jumped up to .341 and his HR’s are out. To me that looks like a lot of groundballs have been finding the holes this year and some flyballs have drifted out.

While Pineiro’s G/F is up some this year, his other peripherals have declined enormously. His K rate is way down, he’s throwing a ton of pitches per batter (4.00), and his walks are up. I don’t see much reason for optimism in that.

Yes, Pineiro could be figuring out a new style of pitching. But betting on guys to become the next Jamie Moyer when they lose their stuff is not a winning proposition.

]]> By: terry http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/06/21/this-and-that/comment-page-4/#comment-116089 terry Thu, 22 Jun 2006 01:15:37 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/06/21/this-and-that/#comment-116089 Doyle to first and Sexson to DH..... im a genius :-) Doyle to first and Sexson to DH….. im a genius :-)

]]> By: JMHawkins http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/06/21/this-and-that/comment-page-4/#comment-116088 JMHawkins Thu, 22 Jun 2006 00:53:30 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/06/21/this-and-that/#comment-116088 Johnson v Pineiro, pretty much the same guy, as far as I can tell, except that Pineiro is younger and paid more. Both are turning in seasons at the extremem low end of expectations. Joel strikes out a few more and walks a few more, Johnson gives up a ton more hits. Their career GB/FB rates are nearly identical. Huh?! you say. Yes, indeed they are. Because early in his career, Johnson was a flyball machine, and mid-way, figured out how to keep the ball on the ground. Same sort of transition Joel has shown signs of making this year. We're unhappy with Bad Joel in the rotation. Johnson would not be an improvement, so he's useless to us. He wouldn't have given us any flexibility we didn't already have. Picking up Johnson so we could trade Meche? You want a rotation with both Pineiro and Johnson in it? I figure Pineiro has more chance of improvement this year than Johnson. Clearly Pineiro is undergoing a change in style and approach from "I wanna be like Clemens" to "Maybe more like Moyer". Maybe it'll work (Player of the Week and all that), maybe it won't, but he's got more upside that Johnson. Johnson v Pineiro, pretty much the same guy, as far as I can tell, except that Pineiro is younger and paid more. Both are turning in seasons at the extremem low end of expectations. Joel strikes out a few more and walks a few more, Johnson gives up a ton more hits. Their career GB/FB rates are nearly identical.

Huh?! you say. Yes, indeed they are. Because early in his career, Johnson was a flyball machine, and mid-way, figured out how to keep the ball on the ground. Same sort of transition Joel has shown signs of making this year.

We’re unhappy with Bad Joel in the rotation. Johnson would not be an improvement, so he’s useless to us. He wouldn’t have given us any flexibility we didn’t already have. Picking up Johnson so we could trade Meche? You want a rotation with both Pineiro and Johnson in it?

I figure Pineiro has more chance of improvement this year than Johnson. Clearly Pineiro is undergoing a change in style and approach from “I wanna be like Clemens” to “Maybe more like Moyer”. Maybe it’ll work (Player of the Week and all that), maybe it won’t, but he’s got more upside that Johnson.

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