Comments on: Ichiro’s tree comments

By: gwangung

gwangung — Fri, 14 Jul 2006 21:07:53 +0000

LincolnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s a figurehead owner-type guy. You really canÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t fire him, or Armstrong for that matter, unless you want to make an argument for the city taking over the team, which might not be any better.

Are you saying that this is an inherently dysfunctional organization?

By: DMZ

DMZ — Fri, 14 Jul 2006 20:55:37 +0000

Lincoln’s a figurehead owner-type guy. You really can’t fire him, or Armstrong for that matter, unless you want to make an argument for the city taking over the team, which might not be any better.

By: GD

GD — Fri, 14 Jul 2006 20:47:43 +0000

Maybe the message is aimed directly at Mr Yamauchi.
Why speak in a Japanese rhetorical style if not to address an audience in Japan?
And as the only personnel decision Mr Yamauchi really cares about is his personal choice of Howard Lincoln to run the show, maybe Ichiro is suggesting that’s where the problem is.
Fire Lincoln.
It would be a pretty good way of changing the management culture of the ballclub.

By: amarshal2

amarshal2 — Fri, 14 Jul 2006 20:09:23 +0000

This was a pretty funny thread.

Seriously, I think 16 had it right. Sounds to me like he’s talking about the clubhouse. I don’t think Ichiro would put blame on the management. I think he would put blame on the people playing the game.

By: DKJ

DKJ — Fri, 14 Jul 2006 18:41:55 +0000

This US organization (with the support of a Japanese financier) courted and won the services of this great Japanese athelete. To react like a bunch of rubes when he speaks like a Japanese athelete is to lose an opportunity to learn something.

The sport that we love, and the Japanese love, and the Dominicans love and so many people around the world love may afford us all an opportunity to look at things differently. Ichiro’s parable, whose richness is intermittently suggested throughout the current string of comments, means exactly what it appears to mean.

By: BelaXadux

BelaXadux — Fri, 14 Jul 2006 07:03:39 +0000

#48, e-coward: (aarrghhh) squared. Bavasi clearly wants the team to ‘get younger’ and look to next year, methinks, but yeah. Lawton and Petagine could actually have helped if the team had a manager who used his bench, but they were both jettisoned in ninny-moves to absolutely no improvement for the 25-man. I’ve got to say, I’ll be glad when Bill Bavasi is gone. He’s a helluva nice guy, but watching his pointless roster churn for three years is like swallowing a fistful of Valium. Someone’s dialing 911 on me now, I’m so asleep.

If the Nats actually pulled off that steal-deal (haven’t looked), Bowden must have borrowed a few zillion braincells from someone else he’s never used. Kearns and F. Lopez for assorted junk.

I definetly think Ichiro’s comments were criticisms of management, as I alluded in my first post in thread. It’s very difficult to read what he said any _other_ way, to me.

I’m going on vacation for a few days, so that’ll take a load off the server Derek. : )

By: CCW

CCW — Fri, 14 Jul 2006 01:11:51 +0000

I don’t live in Taiwan, but I agree with Nick. While Ichiro’s comments aren’t specifically directed at anyone, they’re clearly directed at management in general.

By: Nick in Taiwan

Nick in Taiwan — Thu, 13 Jul 2006 21:45:20 +0000

I’m a little late here, but I think I have something to offer. I live in Taiwan (duh), and Taiwan is pretty close to Japan in terms of culture. In fact, Taiwan was a colony of Japan for 50 years (1895-1945). I work in a Taiwanese corporate structure. Ichiro’s comments, in my environment, would be taken as criticisms of the management– with enough ambiguity left over to keep himself out of trouble. Ichiro took pains not to name anyone; thus, no one would lose face. Nonetheless, everyone would be clear something seriously is wrong with the management according to this senior employee– and I doubt Ichiro, without senior status, would make even such an ambiguous but nonetheless certain criticism.

By: msb

msb — Thu, 13 Jul 2006 20:47:14 +0000

Jones/Dobbs thread up….

By: JI

JI — Thu, 13 Jul 2006 20:27:13 +0000

Whoever I spun Lopez off for!