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		<title>By: tino</title>
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		<dc:creator>tino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 16:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where is the value for Meche coming from?  My impression is that most of the authors (and readers) of this site would trade him for ~any (+) in the contribution/salary equation.  I sure would.  Especially Kotchman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where is the value for Meche coming from?  My impression is that most of the authors (and readers) of this site would trade him for ~any (+) in the contribution/salary equation.  I sure would.  Especially Kotchman.</p>
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		<title>By: msb</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 15:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>speaking of trade value-- from the Freep about Detroit&#039;s interest in Soriano: &quot;The Nationals recently asked for prospects Humberto Sanchez, Jair Jurrjens and Cameron Maybin in exchange for Soriano&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>speaking of trade value&#8211; from the Freep about Detroit&#8217;s interest in Soriano: &#8220;The Nationals recently asked for prospects Humberto Sanchez, Jair Jurrjens and Cameron Maybin in exchange for Soriano&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: BelaXadux</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 12:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wlad the Impeller.  

Not only has Balentien brought his BB rate way up, he&#039;s also edge his K rate down slightly I believe.  I want to see him do it next year in AAA for sure, he has to earn it, and I&#039;m glad he&#039;s the one guy in the system the development folks haven&#039;t ridiculously over-promoted since he&#039;s got a lot to work out in his approach at the plate.  He&#039;s made some strides this year---but God knows, he needed to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wlad the Impeller.  </p>
<p>Not only has Balentien brought his BB rate way up, he&#8217;s also edge his K rate down slightly I believe.  I want to see him do it next year in AAA for sure, he has to earn it, and I&#8217;m glad he&#8217;s the one guy in the system the development folks haven&#8217;t ridiculously over-promoted since he&#8217;s got a lot to work out in his approach at the plate.  He&#8217;s made some strides this year&#8212;but God knows, he needed to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: Typical Idiot Fan</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 08:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Figure I&#039;ll stick a prospect update in here:

----Tacoma----
Choo - .326 / .395 / .500, 12 HR, 19 2B, 3 3B, 24 SB, 4 CS, 40 BB, 67 Ks.  Before today&#039;s action (BFTA) (2 for 3, 1 HR, 3 RBI)

Doyle - .270 / .385 / .410, 4 HR, 12 2B, 4 SB, 1 CS, 26 BB, 39 Ks.  BFTA (0 for 4, 1 K).  Doyle&#039;s slumping again.  Maybe he&#039;s angry that Everett&#039;s still here.

LaHair - .301 / .364 / .388, 1 HR, 6 2B, 2 SB, 11 BB, 27 Ks (103 ABs).  BFTA (1 for 4, 2B, 1 RBI, 2 SO).  Yeah, I know he&#039;s not a prospect.

Clement - .235 / .287 / .346, 2 HR, 3 2B, 3 BB, 19 Ks (81 ABs).  BFTA (1 for 4, 2 Ks).

Cruceta - 8-6, 4.21 ERA, 107 IP, 56 BB, 132 SO(!), 13 HR(!).  Gopheritis!  Stirkeouts!  It&#039;s pandemonium!

----San Antonio----
Chen - .313 / .352 / .567, 3 HR, 6 2B, 1 3B, 2 SB, 4 BB, 8 Ks (67 ABs).

Balentien The Destroyer - .263 / .351 / .494, 17 HR, 20 2B, 11 SB, 6 CS, 40 BB, 97 Ks.  God have mercy!  Wladamir has nearly brought his K:BB ratio to 2:1!!!

Wilson - .344 / .425 / .634, 6 HR, 7 2B, 1 3B, 1 SB, 9 BB, 25 Ks (93 ABs).  Legit?  Small sample size.

Tuiasosoppo - .182 / .240 / .205, 2 2B, 1 SB, 7 BB, 29 Ks (88 ABs).  Ouch Matt.  Thank God you&#039;re young.

Blackley - 7-7, 4.17, 108 IP, 29 BB, 69 SO, 12 HR.  Travis has improved quite a bit lately.  I don&#039;t think he has given up a home run in a few starts.

Feierabend - 7-7, 3.96, 102.1 IP, 27 BB, 92 SO, 11 HR.  Getting better and better.

Bazardo - 5-3, 3.20, 95.2 IP, 30 BB, 55 SO, 7 HR.  Getting by on smoke and mirrors still, but has actually done better recently.

Rohrbaugh - 2-1, 2.73 ERA, 33.0 IP, 8 BB, 26 SO, 5 HR.  Made the leap to AA rather well so far.

Kahn - 0-2, 5.64 ERA, 22.1 IP, 13 BB, 19 SO, 2 HR.  Has not.

Chick - 1-0, 2.84 ERA, 12.2 IP, 9 BB, 9 SO, 1 HR (2 starts).  Not much to go on here.

O&#039;Flaherty - 2-0, 1.21 ERA, 29.2 IP, 12 BB, 31 SO, 0 HR, 2 SV.  Also has done well with his promotion.

----Inland Empire----
Needs some damn batters.  With the exception of Casey Craig, who wont get a shot in the Mariners organization (so sayeth Dave), nobody here is hitting for snot and doesn&#039;t appear to be a prospect at all (or has already moved up to San Antonio).  So I&#039;m skipping this section until someone interesting comes along.

Nottingham - 4-7, 3.90 ERA, 110.2 IP, 38 BB, 100 SO, 8 HR.  Why mother he&#039;s cured!

Thomas - 5-2, 5.68 ERA, 44.1 IP, 18 BB, 52 SO, 6 HR.  Having the same problems as Felix.  Seems to be pitching well, but getting hit hard.

Rivera - 5-4, 4.30 ERA, 58.2 IP, 27 BB, 50 SO, 8 HR.  Still having control problems.

----Wisconsin----
Lo - .353 / .450 / .471, 2 2B, 1 3B, 6 SB, 1 CS, 5 BB, 7 Ks (34 ABs).  Advancing rapidly, and probably wont stay here in Wisconsin for long.  This is definately a guy to watch.

Valbuena - .286 / .371 / .400, 3 HR, 16 2B, 6 3B, 21 SB, 7 CS, 44 BB, 44 Ks.  Luis, I think, has found his groove again.

Williams - 2-4, 3.44 ERA, 68 IP, 64 BB(!), 82 SO(!), 5 HR.  Somebody teach this guy some control before he kills someone.

Guaramato - 2-3, 7.17 ERA(!), 42.2 IP, 32 BB, 39 SO, 4 HR, 6 SV.  Shawn Chacon anybody?

Woerman - 2-2, 2.12 ERA, 34 IP, 14 BB, 54 SO(!), 1 HR, 7 SV.  Graduated to Inland Empire (Yay!).

Bibens-(BIBENS!)-Bibens-Dirkx - 0-1, 2.25 ERA, 8 IP, 1 BB, 11 SO, 0 HR, 1 SV.  That&#039;s 22 strikeouts in 14 professional IP for those following along here.  Might be a stud righty setup guy.

----Everett----
Halman the Dutch Apple Bunkerbuster - .271 / .310 / .514, 4 HR, 6 2B, 4 3B, 10 SB, 4 CS, 3 BB(!), 29 Ks(!).  Somebody learned how to hit the baaaalllllll...  Duck!

White - .288 / .463 (WTF?) / .413, 3 HR, 1 2B, 2 CS, 25 BB, 24 Ks.  Can we give this guy some steroids please?!  His plate discipline is great, now if only he&#039;d actually put WOOD on the ball!

Pimentel - .270 / .356 / .508, 4 HR, 1 2B, 1 3B, 9 BB, 9 Ks.  Small sample size.

Schilling - 2-3, 2.88 ERA, 34.1 IP, 8 BB, 26 SO, 2 HR.  Roughed up last outing.

Uhlmansiek - 2-1, 3.12 ERA, 26 IP, 14 BB, 27 SO, 0 HR.  Ditto.

Fister (hee hee hee) - 1-2, 0.84 ERA, 21.1 IP, 4 BB, 20 SO, 0 HR, 4 SV.  Moved to bullpen, doing well in all aspects.

Orta - 2-1, 6.35 ERA, 11.1 IP, 3 BB, 9 SO, 1 HR.  I have faith that they drafted him for a reason.

----AZL Mariners----
Disclaimer:  These stats mean jack.

Avila - .367 / .419 / .620, 5 HR, 3 2B, 1 3B, 3 SB, 1 CS, 5 BB, 21 Ks.  

Van Gaalen - 3-1, 2.45 ERA, 25.2 IP, 2 BB(!), 19 SO, 0 HR.

Salinas - 1-0, 1.93 ERA, 18.1 IP, 5 BB, 13 SO, 0 HR.

Morrow - 0-0, 0.00 ERA, 1 IP, 0 BB, 1 SO, 0 HR.

Tillman - 0-0, 0.00 ERA, 1 IP, 0 BB, 0 SO, 0 HR.

Campillo(!) - 0-0, 0.00 ERA, 1 IP, 0 BB, 0 SO, 0 HR.  Seeing a pattern here?

Varvaro - 0-0, 0.00 ERA, 2 IP, 1 BB, 3 SO, 0 HR (2 HB, hee hee hee).

So the question is, are they going to get any of these pitchers any more time throwing professionally or just stretch them out, work them out, and wait til Winter Ball to do jack?  With Campillo, obviously, you have an injury rehab assignment, but will he be moved up anywhere?  Morrow was supposed to be relatively advanced compared to a lot of other drafted college pitchers (the unsigned Andrew Miller notwithstanding), so it seems odd to not do anything with him so far.

Oh, and because I know you&#039;re all just DYING to know:

Garciaparra - .385 / .385 / .846, 1 HR, 3 2B, 1 SB, 1 CS, 0 BB, 0 Ks.  Rehabbing in the AZL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Figure I&#8217;ll stick a prospect update in here:</p>
<p>&#8212;-Tacoma&#8212;-<br />
Choo &#8211; .326 / .395 / .500, 12 HR, 19 2B, 3 3B, 24 SB, 4 CS, 40 BB, 67 Ks.  Before today&#8217;s action (BFTA) (2 for 3, 1 HR, 3 RBI)</p>
<p>Doyle &#8211; .270 / .385 / .410, 4 HR, 12 2B, 4 SB, 1 CS, 26 BB, 39 Ks.  BFTA (0 for 4, 1 K).  Doyle&#8217;s slumping again.  Maybe he&#8217;s angry that Everett&#8217;s still here.</p>
<p>LaHair &#8211; .301 / .364 / .388, 1 HR, 6 2B, 2 SB, 11 BB, 27 Ks (103 ABs).  BFTA (1 for 4, 2B, 1 RBI, 2 SO).  Yeah, I know he&#8217;s not a prospect.</p>
<p>Clement &#8211; .235 / .287 / .346, 2 HR, 3 2B, 3 BB, 19 Ks (81 ABs).  BFTA (1 for 4, 2 Ks).</p>
<p>Cruceta &#8211; 8-6, 4.21 ERA, 107 IP, 56 BB, 132 SO(!), 13 HR(!).  Gopheritis!  Stirkeouts!  It&#8217;s pandemonium!</p>
<p>&#8212;-San Antonio&#8212;-<br />
Chen &#8211; .313 / .352 / .567, 3 HR, 6 2B, 1 3B, 2 SB, 4 BB, 8 Ks (67 ABs).</p>
<p>Balentien The Destroyer &#8211; .263 / .351 / .494, 17 HR, 20 2B, 11 SB, 6 CS, 40 BB, 97 Ks.  God have mercy!  Wladamir has nearly brought his K:BB ratio to 2:1!!!</p>
<p>Wilson &#8211; .344 / .425 / .634, 6 HR, 7 2B, 1 3B, 1 SB, 9 BB, 25 Ks (93 ABs).  Legit?  Small sample size.</p>
<p>Tuiasosoppo &#8211; .182 / .240 / .205, 2 2B, 1 SB, 7 BB, 29 Ks (88 ABs).  Ouch Matt.  Thank God you&#8217;re young.</p>
<p>Blackley &#8211; 7-7, 4.17, 108 IP, 29 BB, 69 SO, 12 HR.  Travis has improved quite a bit lately.  I don&#8217;t think he has given up a home run in a few starts.</p>
<p>Feierabend &#8211; 7-7, 3.96, 102.1 IP, 27 BB, 92 SO, 11 HR.  Getting better and better.</p>
<p>Bazardo &#8211; 5-3, 3.20, 95.2 IP, 30 BB, 55 SO, 7 HR.  Getting by on smoke and mirrors still, but has actually done better recently.</p>
<p>Rohrbaugh &#8211; 2-1, 2.73 ERA, 33.0 IP, 8 BB, 26 SO, 5 HR.  Made the leap to AA rather well so far.</p>
<p>Kahn &#8211; 0-2, 5.64 ERA, 22.1 IP, 13 BB, 19 SO, 2 HR.  Has not.</p>
<p>Chick &#8211; 1-0, 2.84 ERA, 12.2 IP, 9 BB, 9 SO, 1 HR (2 starts).  Not much to go on here.</p>
<p>O&#8217;Flaherty &#8211; 2-0, 1.21 ERA, 29.2 IP, 12 BB, 31 SO, 0 HR, 2 SV.  Also has done well with his promotion.</p>
<p>&#8212;-Inland Empire&#8212;-<br />
Needs some damn batters.  With the exception of Casey Craig, who wont get a shot in the Mariners organization (so sayeth Dave), nobody here is hitting for snot and doesn&#8217;t appear to be a prospect at all (or has already moved up to San Antonio).  So I&#8217;m skipping this section until someone interesting comes along.</p>
<p>Nottingham &#8211; 4-7, 3.90 ERA, 110.2 IP, 38 BB, 100 SO, 8 HR.  Why mother he&#8217;s cured!</p>
<p>Thomas &#8211; 5-2, 5.68 ERA, 44.1 IP, 18 BB, 52 SO, 6 HR.  Having the same problems as Felix.  Seems to be pitching well, but getting hit hard.</p>
<p>Rivera &#8211; 5-4, 4.30 ERA, 58.2 IP, 27 BB, 50 SO, 8 HR.  Still having control problems.</p>
<p>&#8212;-Wisconsin&#8212;-<br />
Lo &#8211; .353 / .450 / .471, 2 2B, 1 3B, 6 SB, 1 CS, 5 BB, 7 Ks (34 ABs).  Advancing rapidly, and probably wont stay here in Wisconsin for long.  This is definately a guy to watch.</p>
<p>Valbuena &#8211; .286 / .371 / .400, 3 HR, 16 2B, 6 3B, 21 SB, 7 CS, 44 BB, 44 Ks.  Luis, I think, has found his groove again.</p>
<p>Williams &#8211; 2-4, 3.44 ERA, 68 IP, 64 BB(!), 82 SO(!), 5 HR.  Somebody teach this guy some control before he kills someone.</p>
<p>Guaramato &#8211; 2-3, 7.17 ERA(!), 42.2 IP, 32 BB, 39 SO, 4 HR, 6 SV.  Shawn Chacon anybody?</p>
<p>Woerman &#8211; 2-2, 2.12 ERA, 34 IP, 14 BB, 54 SO(!), 1 HR, 7 SV.  Graduated to Inland Empire (Yay!).</p>
<p>Bibens-(BIBENS!)-Bibens-Dirkx &#8211; 0-1, 2.25 ERA, 8 IP, 1 BB, 11 SO, 0 HR, 1 SV.  That&#8217;s 22 strikeouts in 14 professional IP for those following along here.  Might be a stud righty setup guy.</p>
<p>&#8212;-Everett&#8212;-<br />
Halman the Dutch Apple Bunkerbuster &#8211; .271 / .310 / .514, 4 HR, 6 2B, 4 3B, 10 SB, 4 CS, 3 BB(!), 29 Ks(!).  Somebody learned how to hit the baaaalllllll&#8230;  Duck!</p>
<p>White &#8211; .288 / .463 (WTF?) / .413, 3 HR, 1 2B, 2 CS, 25 BB, 24 Ks.  Can we give this guy some steroids please?!  His plate discipline is great, now if only he&#8217;d actually put WOOD on the ball!</p>
<p>Pimentel &#8211; .270 / .356 / .508, 4 HR, 1 2B, 1 3B, 9 BB, 9 Ks.  Small sample size.</p>
<p>Schilling &#8211; 2-3, 2.88 ERA, 34.1 IP, 8 BB, 26 SO, 2 HR.  Roughed up last outing.</p>
<p>Uhlmansiek &#8211; 2-1, 3.12 ERA, 26 IP, 14 BB, 27 SO, 0 HR.  Ditto.</p>
<p>Fister (hee hee hee) &#8211; 1-2, 0.84 ERA, 21.1 IP, 4 BB, 20 SO, 0 HR, 4 SV.  Moved to bullpen, doing well in all aspects.</p>
<p>Orta &#8211; 2-1, 6.35 ERA, 11.1 IP, 3 BB, 9 SO, 1 HR.  I have faith that they drafted him for a reason.</p>
<p>&#8212;-AZL Mariners&#8212;-<br />
Disclaimer:  These stats mean jack.</p>
<p>Avila &#8211; .367 / .419 / .620, 5 HR, 3 2B, 1 3B, 3 SB, 1 CS, 5 BB, 21 Ks.  </p>
<p>Van Gaalen &#8211; 3-1, 2.45 ERA, 25.2 IP, 2 BB(!), 19 SO, 0 HR.</p>
<p>Salinas &#8211; 1-0, 1.93 ERA, 18.1 IP, 5 BB, 13 SO, 0 HR.</p>
<p>Morrow &#8211; 0-0, 0.00 ERA, 1 IP, 0 BB, 1 SO, 0 HR.</p>
<p>Tillman &#8211; 0-0, 0.00 ERA, 1 IP, 0 BB, 0 SO, 0 HR.</p>
<p>Campillo(!) &#8211; 0-0, 0.00 ERA, 1 IP, 0 BB, 0 SO, 0 HR.  Seeing a pattern here?</p>
<p>Varvaro &#8211; 0-0, 0.00 ERA, 2 IP, 1 BB, 3 SO, 0 HR (2 HB, hee hee hee).</p>
<p>So the question is, are they going to get any of these pitchers any more time throwing professionally or just stretch them out, work them out, and wait til Winter Ball to do jack?  With Campillo, obviously, you have an injury rehab assignment, but will he be moved up anywhere?  Morrow was supposed to be relatively advanced compared to a lot of other drafted college pitchers (the unsigned Andrew Miller notwithstanding), so it seems odd to not do anything with him so far.</p>
<p>Oh, and because I know you&#8217;re all just DYING to know:</p>
<p>Garciaparra &#8211; .385 / .385 / .846, 1 HR, 3 2B, 1 SB, 1 CS, 0 BB, 0 Ks.  Rehabbing in the AZL.</p>
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		<title>By: John in L.A.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John in L.A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 08:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the M&#039;s 1st baseman certainly should be outhitting their 3rd baseman... as should their DH. 

But I dont know how you can say there is anything at all _signifigant_ about how much Sexson is outhitting Beltre this year. Their OPS is .010 points away right now.

And that&#039;s with Beltre having an April so hideous it is unlikely to repeat. 

I don&#039;t terribly disagree with you on a lot, but I do not assume that the M&#039;s don&#039;t have anything because of their 3rd baseman. That&#039;s a false dichotomy. The M&#039;s can have both. And we&#039;ve seen their accounting before when they &quot;saved&quot; money on a player.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the M&#8217;s 1st baseman certainly should be outhitting their 3rd baseman&#8230; as should their DH. </p>
<p>But I dont know how you can say there is anything at all _signifigant_ about how much Sexson is outhitting Beltre this year. Their OPS is .010 points away right now.</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s with Beltre having an April so hideous it is unlikely to repeat. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t terribly disagree with you on a lot, but I do not assume that the M&#8217;s don&#8217;t have anything because of their 3rd baseman. That&#8217;s a false dichotomy. The M&#8217;s can have both. And we&#8217;ve seen their accounting before when they &#8220;saved&#8221; money on a player.</p>
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		<title>By: BelaXadux</title>
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		<dc:creator>BelaXadux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 07:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and the Ms 1Bman is _significantly_ outhitting it&#039;s 3Bman; last year, this year, and I suspect every year that they&#039;re both here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and the Ms 1Bman is _significantly_ outhitting it&#8217;s 3Bman; last year, this year, and I suspect every year that they&#8217;re both here.</p>
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		<title>By: BelaXadux</title>
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		<dc:creator>BelaXadux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 07:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s one thing to overpay your &#039;hitter-as-rockhead,&#039; defensive whiz 3bman; it&#039;s another thing to overpay him by ~$7M.  Yes, the Ms can afford that---or could up to this year, though the presence of said Team Liability hurts both the Win column and attendance, methinks.  But ~$7M:  that&#039;s a mid-rotation starter.  We have Joel Pinada taking his turn every five instead of a solid pitcher in part because that 3bman is sucking up the budget quota for somebody else better.  Although having that dough committed to Adrian means, perhaps, that we _don&#039;t_ have Millwood&#039;s deal to worry about, so there&#039;s some upside:  he&#039;s saving the FO from itself.  Hmmm, I hadn&#039;t seen it that way . . . .

I&#039;m against giving Adrian away, and a smart FO would build up the rest of the roster enough to compensate for his failures, kick him down to 6th or 7th place in the line-up, demote him in the team&#039;s strategy, and live with it.  Team&#039;s which continue to build their offense and expectations around disappointments like Beltre turn into the Blue Jays of five years ago.  

On another note, Doyle doesn&#039;t need a platoon partner, so Perez just becomes a terrific pinch hitter who for one AB will force the other team to bring in a RH reliever to eliminate him every third game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s one thing to overpay your &#8216;hitter-as-rockhead,&#8217; defensive whiz 3bman; it&#8217;s another thing to overpay him by ~$7M.  Yes, the Ms can afford that&#8212;or could up to this year, though the presence of said Team Liability hurts both the Win column and attendance, methinks.  But ~$7M:  that&#8217;s a mid-rotation starter.  We have Joel Pinada taking his turn every five instead of a solid pitcher in part because that 3bman is sucking up the budget quota for somebody else better.  Although having that dough committed to Adrian means, perhaps, that we _don&#8217;t_ have Millwood&#8217;s deal to worry about, so there&#8217;s some upside:  he&#8217;s saving the FO from itself.  Hmmm, I hadn&#8217;t seen it that way . . . .</p>
<p>I&#8217;m against giving Adrian away, and a smart FO would build up the rest of the roster enough to compensate for his failures, kick him down to 6th or 7th place in the line-up, demote him in the team&#8217;s strategy, and live with it.  Team&#8217;s which continue to build their offense and expectations around disappointments like Beltre turn into the Blue Jays of five years ago.  </p>
<p>On another note, Doyle doesn&#8217;t need a platoon partner, so Perez just becomes a terrific pinch hitter who for one AB will force the other team to bring in a RH reliever to eliminate him every third game.</p>
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		<title>By: heyoka</title>
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		<dc:creator>heyoka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 07:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haha, remember when Dallas McPherson was so high on lists like this?

Beltre is still young-ish.  He&#039;s filling the hole at third, which was the conceivable least he could do when he signed that contract.  I wouldn&#039;t trade him just to dump the salary, there would have to be good bait.

Yeah, Lackey seems about #2.  Front rotation starter for 3 mil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha, remember when Dallas McPherson was so high on lists like this?</p>
<p>Beltre is still young-ish.  He&#8217;s filling the hole at third, which was the conceivable least he could do when he signed that contract.  I wouldn&#8217;t trade him just to dump the salary, there would have to be good bait.</p>
<p>Yeah, Lackey seems about #2.  Front rotation starter for 3 mil.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 06:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m surprised no one has commented on the #2 on the list.  Is John Lackey really that good?  

His xFIP is 4.28, smack in the middle of his 2004 and 2005 xFIP.  It seems like he&#039;s actually a bit worse of a pitcher than he was last year -- K rate is down a bit, BB rate up a bit, GB% down a bit.  OK his FIP has consistently been 1/2 run below his xFIP, and is very good, but I&#039;m not sure what that means -- he consistently prevents fly balls from becoming HRs, which isn&#039;t a real skill?

Is it simply that he&#039;s cheap for a couple more years for a #3 starter?  I wouldn&#039;t swap Ichiro or Lopez for him (though I wonder about Ichiro&#039;s value after he signs a FA contract).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m surprised no one has commented on the #2 on the list.  Is John Lackey really that good?  </p>
<p>His xFIP is 4.28, smack in the middle of his 2004 and 2005 xFIP.  It seems like he&#8217;s actually a bit worse of a pitcher than he was last year &#8212; K rate is down a bit, BB rate up a bit, GB% down a bit.  OK his FIP has consistently been 1/2 run below his xFIP, and is very good, but I&#8217;m not sure what that means &#8212; he consistently prevents fly balls from becoming HRs, which isn&#8217;t a real skill?</p>
<p>Is it simply that he&#8217;s cheap for a couple more years for a #3 starter?  I wouldn&#8217;t swap Ichiro or Lopez for him (though I wonder about Ichiro&#8217;s value after he signs a FA contract).</p>
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		<title>By: John in L.A.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John in L.A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 06:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would hate to see the M&#039;s trade Beltre for nothing. The cash is irrelevant to me, and should be to any fan without some indication on how or IF that savings would be spent. I have zero faith that it would be. I have heard that line before. 

I don&#039;t want to trade Beltre to begin with, but doing so for cash instead of talent horrifies me. And if we get suckered into giving him to someone so he can be an all-star again in the NL, well, we suck.

This team should be able to overpay a third baseman without blinking. It can&#039;t survive its 1st baseman and DH not hitting at all, but it could survive a weak-hitting defensive whiz at third if they pulled their heads out of their collective ass about Everett.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would hate to see the M&#8217;s trade Beltre for nothing. The cash is irrelevant to me, and should be to any fan without some indication on how or IF that savings would be spent. I have zero faith that it would be. I have heard that line before. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to trade Beltre to begin with, but doing so for cash instead of talent horrifies me. And if we get suckered into giving him to someone so he can be an all-star again in the NL, well, we suck.</p>
<p>This team should be able to overpay a third baseman without blinking. It can&#8217;t survive its 1st baseman and DH not hitting at all, but it could survive a weak-hitting defensive whiz at third if they pulled their heads out of their collective ass about Everett.</p>
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