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		<title>By: Haldir</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/08/08/more-random-notes/comment-page-4/#comment-133628</link>
		<dc:creator>Haldir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2006 20:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you sure your ISO is right?  I showed .072 which isn&#039;t much different than Suckzuki&#039;s .091.  I&#039;m not sure if this stat is entirely telling anyway.

I don&#039;t completely disagree with the idea of Willie not playing every day, but having the weekend plan, I certainly see holes in the game he is quite capable of filling - late innings defensively at second comes to mind.  Jose Lopez, while much improves, still gives me a pause. And, until we get a real centerfielder, he&#039;s still better than Jones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you sure your ISO is right?  I showed .072 which isn&#8217;t much different than Suckzuki&#8217;s .091.  I&#8217;m not sure if this stat is entirely telling anyway.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t completely disagree with the idea of Willie not playing every day, but having the weekend plan, I certainly see holes in the game he is quite capable of filling &#8211; late innings defensively at second comes to mind.  Jose Lopez, while much improves, still gives me a pause. And, until we get a real centerfielder, he&#8217;s still better than Jones.</p>
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		<title>By: The Ancient Mariner</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/08/08/more-random-notes/comment-page-4/#comment-133237</link>
		<dc:creator>The Ancient Mariner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 16:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll miss Bob Fontaine, though.  Here&#039;s hoping that Antonetti (or whomever our next GM is -- probably won&#039;t be somebody of that caliber) can find somebody to match Fontaine to run the scouting department.  Or maybe that somebody like Logan White is the hire to replace Bavasi.

And btw, for those of you who see a HR spike and immediately think &quot;steroids&quot;:  you want to dig up Roger Maris and accuse &lt;i&gt;him&lt;/i&gt; of juicing?  Would you like to go grab Bob Cerv or Davey Johnson and ask them if &lt;i&gt;they&lt;/i&gt; used the cream and the clear?  Maybe you could pull Ted Williams&#039; head out of cold storage and try to get &lt;i&gt;him&lt;/i&gt; to tell you what he took.  Fact of the matter is (as Jerry Crasnick noted recently in BA), HR spikes and fluke seasons have been a part of the game back to the days when Babe Ruth&#039;s idea of a training regimen was beer and hot dogs, when King Kelly was the best hitter in the majors -- heck, probably all the way back to Alexander Cartwright.  

All this idiotic steroid speculation reminds me of H. L. Mencken&#039;s observation that &quot;for every problem there is a solution that is simple, easy to understand, and wrong.&quot;  It&#039;s an effort to impose simple order on a chaotic system, and as such matches Mencken&#039;s statement perfectly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll miss Bob Fontaine, though.  Here&#8217;s hoping that Antonetti (or whomever our next GM is &#8212; probably won&#8217;t be somebody of that caliber) can find somebody to match Fontaine to run the scouting department.  Or maybe that somebody like Logan White is the hire to replace Bavasi.</p>
<p>And btw, for those of you who see a HR spike and immediately think &#8220;steroids&#8221;:  you want to dig up Roger Maris and accuse <i>him</i> of juicing?  Would you like to go grab Bob Cerv or Davey Johnson and ask them if <i>they</i> used the cream and the clear?  Maybe you could pull Ted Williams&#8217; head out of cold storage and try to get <i>him</i> to tell you what he took.  Fact of the matter is (as Jerry Crasnick noted recently in BA), HR spikes and fluke seasons have been a part of the game back to the days when Babe Ruth&#8217;s idea of a training regimen was beer and hot dogs, when King Kelly was the best hitter in the majors &#8212; heck, probably all the way back to Alexander Cartwright.  </p>
<p>All this idiotic steroid speculation reminds me of H. L. Mencken&#8217;s observation that &#8220;for every problem there is a solution that is simple, easy to understand, and wrong.&#8221;  It&#8217;s an effort to impose simple order on a chaotic system, and as such matches Mencken&#8217;s statement perfectly.</p>
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		<title>By: BelaXadux</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/08/08/more-random-notes/comment-page-4/#comment-133231</link>
		<dc:creator>BelaXadux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 14:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and the idiot decision to bring up Adam Jones really rankles me.  Again, this season the Ms FO have severely over-promoted their best buys in what seems like totally a bid by Bavasi to save his job by demonstrating &#039;success&#039; of a kind.  That kind of pressure, with no tomorrow for failure, just doesn&#039;t make for good decision making.  Tui and Jones have been badly mishandled, and Clement could have used more time in AA coming back from the injury before being pushed up.  

. . . I&#039;ll be happy when Billy B.&#039;s gone.  He&#039;s done for us what he can, and it&#039;s time to get somebody who can do what he can&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and the idiot decision to bring up Adam Jones really rankles me.  Again, this season the Ms FO have severely over-promoted their best buys in what seems like totally a bid by Bavasi to save his job by demonstrating &#8216;success&#8217; of a kind.  That kind of pressure, with no tomorrow for failure, just doesn&#8217;t make for good decision making.  Tui and Jones have been badly mishandled, and Clement could have used more time in AA coming back from the injury before being pushed up.  </p>
<p>. . . I&#8217;ll be happy when Billy B.&#8217;s gone.  He&#8217;s done for us what he can, and it&#8217;s time to get somebody who can do what he can&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: BelaXadux</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/08/08/more-random-notes/comment-page-4/#comment-133230</link>
		<dc:creator>BelaXadux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 13:56:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Basically, his [Beltre&#039;s] April is closer to his true talent level than his 2004 is, in my opinion.&quot;  Seconded, and amen.  Adrian, after a blip in early July, has continued to connect with the pitch for another month.  He&#039;s a valuable guy right now.  Right now.  Let&#039;s check in at the end of the season.  . . . Still, it would make it _a lot_ easier to deal him if he---naw, he&#039;s stayin&#039;.  And if he hits like this for a couple months a year, he&#039;s not a hole in the lineup.

WFB:  The fact that the team has NO other back-up plan in the outfield so that Billie Boomquist keeps getting ABs says everything about the present Ms FO that I dislike.

Doyle:  It was said he had &#039;a shoulder impingement&#039; in July, one of the unspecificed reason&#039;s he wasn&#039;t kept on the 25-man.  Now, it may or may not be a relevant injury, but I tend to think that if he acquired yet another, entirely new physical problem this would, more than anything, affect his mental state and confidence in a baseball career.  Don&#039;t know if that&#039;s it, but there&#039;s nothing that would bring on major depression more than yet another significant injury, to me.  And it sure sounds like depression even from the tatters of comments here.  I doubt that being sent down has anything much to do with it.  Might be non-baseball related, but _in season_?  Unless he fell in love and she died, or Mumsy&#039;s got the Big C it&#039;s hard to see what else could hit him so hard as something which threaten&#039;s his continued ability to play.  . . . Sounds injury worry precipitated depression, to me.  . . . Which sucks.  There is life after, mate.  But we&#039;re still pulling for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Basically, his [Beltre's] April is closer to his true talent level than his 2004 is, in my opinion.&#8221;  Seconded, and amen.  Adrian, after a blip in early July, has continued to connect with the pitch for another month.  He&#8217;s a valuable guy right now.  Right now.  Let&#8217;s check in at the end of the season.  . . . Still, it would make it _a lot_ easier to deal him if he&#8212;naw, he&#8217;s stayin&#8217;.  And if he hits like this for a couple months a year, he&#8217;s not a hole in the lineup.</p>
<p>WFB:  The fact that the team has NO other back-up plan in the outfield so that Billie Boomquist keeps getting ABs says everything about the present Ms FO that I dislike.</p>
<p>Doyle:  It was said he had &#8216;a shoulder impingement&#8217; in July, one of the unspecificed reason&#8217;s he wasn&#8217;t kept on the 25-man.  Now, it may or may not be a relevant injury, but I tend to think that if he acquired yet another, entirely new physical problem this would, more than anything, affect his mental state and confidence in a baseball career.  Don&#8217;t know if that&#8217;s it, but there&#8217;s nothing that would bring on major depression more than yet another significant injury, to me.  And it sure sounds like depression even from the tatters of comments here.  I doubt that being sent down has anything much to do with it.  Might be non-baseball related, but _in season_?  Unless he fell in love and she died, or Mumsy&#8217;s got the Big C it&#8217;s hard to see what else could hit him so hard as something which threaten&#8217;s his continued ability to play.  . . . Sounds injury worry precipitated depression, to me.  . . . Which sucks.  There is life after, mate.  But we&#8217;re still pulling for you.</p>
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		<title>By: msb</title>
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		<dc:creator>msb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 05:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;In 1999 he was getting paid more than Jamie Moyer&lt;/em&gt;

ah, yes, I rememer those days. On the days Jamie pitched, you could see Karen Moyer sitting in her seat, twisted up like a pretzel with nerves-- something that a decade of bouncing between the minors the majors and unemployment will do for you, I guess ... she&#039;s much calmer these days :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>In 1999 he was getting paid more than Jamie Moyer</em></p>
<p>ah, yes, I rememer those days. On the days Jamie pitched, you could see Karen Moyer sitting in her seat, twisted up like a pretzel with nerves&#8211; something that a decade of bouncing between the minors the majors and unemployment will do for you, I guess &#8230; she&#8217;s much calmer these days <img src='http://www.ussmariner.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: mntr</title>
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		<dc:creator>mntr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 04:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Twins bullpen has been sweet.  I remember first learning who Juan Rincon was and then that he was a setup man and being shocked.  He&#039;s quite good.  And his name translated to English is Juan Corner, which is great.  That&#039;s a fun game to play if you&#039;re bored, translating names.  Jose Mesa is Joe Table.  Jose Rosado is Joe Pink.  They sound like gangsters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Twins bullpen has been sweet.  I remember first learning who Juan Rincon was and then that he was a setup man and being shocked.  He&#8217;s quite good.  And his name translated to English is Juan Corner, which is great.  That&#8217;s a fun game to play if you&#8217;re bored, translating names.  Jose Mesa is Joe Table.  Jose Rosado is Joe Pink.  They sound like gangsters.</p>
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		<title>By: scraps</title>
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		<dc:creator>scraps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 02:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
An â€œextreme case of luckâ€ is one way of putting it. I have another theory.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
A new definition of &quot;theory&quot;: completely unsupported speculation.  I think it&#039;s seriously loathesome -- really, I&#039;m sorry, but while I can think of politer ways to say this, I can&#039;t think of more accurate ways -- that people feel free to make steroid implications (and sure, correct me if that&#039;s not what you&#039;re saying here) -- based on zero evidence.  Players have had one-season home run spikes for a lot longer than steroids have been on the scene.  If all you&#039;ve got is a libellous &quot;theory&quot; to explain it, you haven&#039;t got shit.

This is like the squalid cousin of the &quot;he only ever had one good season&quot; crap, but at least that one can at least be refuted by pointing at the numbers, for anyone who&#039;s paying attention.  You can still guarantee that both &quot;arguments&quot; will be raised by one or two people in any extended discussion of Beltre.</description>
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An â€œextreme case of luckâ€ is one way of putting it. I have another theory.
</p></blockquote>
<p>A new definition of &#8220;theory&#8221;: completely unsupported speculation.  I think it&#8217;s seriously loathesome &#8212; really, I&#8217;m sorry, but while I can think of politer ways to say this, I can&#8217;t think of more accurate ways &#8212; that people feel free to make steroid implications (and sure, correct me if that&#8217;s not what you&#8217;re saying here) &#8212; based on zero evidence.  Players have had one-season home run spikes for a lot longer than steroids have been on the scene.  If all you&#8217;ve got is a libellous &#8220;theory&#8221; to explain it, you haven&#8217;t got shit.</p>
<p>This is like the squalid cousin of the &#8220;he only ever had one good season&#8221; crap, but at least that one can at least be refuted by pointing at the numbers, for anyone who&#8217;s paying attention.  You can still guarantee that both &#8220;arguments&#8221; will be raised by one or two people in any extended discussion of Beltre.</p>
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		<title>By: gwangung</title>
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		<dc:creator>gwangung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 01:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; Nope, I said that he wouldnâ€™t repeat his high water mark because he has big holes in his swing. All players do, Beltre shows that he can hold his own but, as you said, he is streaky. I also said that if he was able to close those holes, he could possibly do it but he has shown no abiity to adjust and close them. I like Beltre but I also think that he is a $12M version of Bell. But that is just me. &lt;/i&gt;

So, we&#039;re arguing about two different things and talking completely past each other. Typical blogosphere....

And we probably also agree on Jones...if you&#039;re gonna bring him up, PLAY HIM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> Nope, I said that he wouldnâ€™t repeat his high water mark because he has big holes in his swing. All players do, Beltre shows that he can hold his own but, as you said, he is streaky. I also said that if he was able to close those holes, he could possibly do it but he has shown no abiity to adjust and close them. I like Beltre but I also think that he is a $12M version of Bell. But that is just me. </i></p>
<p>So, we&#8217;re arguing about two different things and talking completely past each other. Typical blogosphere&#8230;.</p>
<p>And we probably also agree on Jones&#8230;if you&#8217;re gonna bring him up, PLAY HIM.</p>
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		<title>By: VaBeachMarinersFan</title>
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		<dc:creator>VaBeachMarinersFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 01:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its mentioned in the game thread. I hope its a short term thing.</description>
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		<title>By: Ralph Malph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ralph Malph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 01:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, who saw the report on the PI-blog that Lowe is out with a bad elbow?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, who saw the report on the PI-blog that Lowe is out with a bad elbow?</p>
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