Comments on: Game 116, Mariners at Rangers http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/08/12/game-116-mariners-at-rangers/ Seattle Mariners blog and general baseball discussion Fri, 10 Feb 2012 01:19:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Dash http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/08/12/game-116-mariners-at-rangers/comment-page-4/#comment-134516 Dash Sun, 13 Aug 2006 20:42:59 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/08/12/game-116-mariners-at-rangers/#comment-134516 If Moyer comes back next year, than the fans, front office, and manager (whoever it may be) needs to realize that Jamie is no longer a #1 or #2 starter. Now he's best suited for the fourth or fifth slot in the rotation. If GilgaMeche can rebound from his performance the other night and pitch well the rest of the year than the M's should *consider* bringing him back on a 2 yr deal (3rd year option) and slot him in as the #3 starter. El Rey and the Washboard will be back. That leaves an internal option or FA signing for the other spot. (Schmidt scares me, but he's likely to be the best available.) If Moyer retires that's 2 spots. If Gil goes elsewhere that's 3 spots. Under NO, repeat NO, circumstances should Jor-El be wearing the compass next season. He's done. D-U-N. Done. If Moyer comes back next year, than the fans, front office, and manager (whoever it may be) needs to realize that Jamie is no longer a #1 or #2 starter. Now he’s best suited for the fourth or fifth slot in the rotation.

If GilgaMeche can rebound from his performance the other night and pitch well the rest of the year than the M’s should *consider* bringing him back on a 2 yr deal (3rd year option) and slot him in as the #3 starter.

El Rey and the Washboard will be back. That leaves an internal option or FA signing for the other spot. (Schmidt scares me, but he’s likely to be the best available.) If Moyer retires that’s 2 spots. If Gil goes elsewhere that’s 3 spots.

Under NO, repeat NO, circumstances should Jor-El be wearing the compass next season. He’s done. D-U-N. Done.

]]> By: G-Man http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/08/12/game-116-mariners-at-rangers/comment-page-4/#comment-134515 G-Man Sun, 13 Aug 2006 15:59:14 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/08/12/game-116-mariners-at-rangers/#comment-134515 Whether Moyer should be on the 2007 roster has to depend a lot on the alteratives. Surely Bavasi will go after at least one FA starter, but there are a couple guys named Gil and Joel that could stay or go. For 2007, do you want either of those two back? Who's your first choice from among the three of them? Second? As Roger Clemens does his on-again off-again retirement waltz, I've thought about the idea of a starting pitcher cutting a deal to spend more time with family. But Moyer has been the comsumate team player, so, the debate about his ability aside, I don't look for him to try for some sort of home-only contract. Jaime recently was given the opprtunity to fly back a day early from a road trip because he was the first starter at home, but he stayed with the team and got back to Seattle in the wee hours before pitching that night. Whether Moyer should be on the 2007 roster has to depend a lot on the alteratives. Surely Bavasi will go after at least one FA starter, but there are a couple guys named Gil and Joel that could stay or go. For 2007, do you want either of those two back? Who’s your first choice from among the three of them? Second?

As Roger Clemens does his on-again off-again retirement waltz, I’ve thought about the idea of a starting pitcher cutting a deal to spend more time with family. But Moyer has been the comsumate team player, so, the debate about his ability aside, I don’t look for him to try for some sort of home-only contract. Jaime recently was given the opprtunity to fly back a day early from a road trip because he was the first starter at home, but he stayed with the team and got back to Seattle in the wee hours before pitching that night.

]]> By: msb http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/08/12/game-116-mariners-at-rangers/comment-page-4/#comment-134514 msb Sun, 13 Aug 2006 15:32:26 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/08/12/game-116-mariners-at-rangers/#comment-134514 are we basing this call to dump Moyer on an outing at Arlington? He has a career ERA of 5.55 <a>there.</a> I don't know what that would be when park-adjusted, but it's a rare pitcher who does well if not throwing groundballs when that team is hitting in that park. are we basing this call to dump Moyer on an outing at Arlington? He has a career ERA of 5.55 there. I don’t know what that would be when park-adjusted, but it’s a rare pitcher who does well if not throwing groundballs when that team is hitting in that park.

]]> By: Mike G. http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/08/12/game-116-mariners-at-rangers/comment-page-4/#comment-134513 Mike G. Sun, 13 Aug 2006 11:09:31 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/08/12/game-116-mariners-at-rangers/#comment-134513 Moyer still has value going into next year, no doubt about it. Only if he never steps foot on the rubber outside of SAFECO again. I think it could work, 5-man rotation on home stands and 4-man rotations on road trips or at the very least some juggling of the rotation. Of course it would take a team a lot more creative than the M's to try it but that's the only way I would bring him back him. Moyer still has value going into next year, no doubt about it. Only if he never steps foot on the rubber outside of SAFECO again. I think it could work, 5-man rotation on home stands and 4-man rotations on road trips or at the very least some juggling of the rotation. Of course it would take a team a lot more creative than the M’s to try it but that’s the only way I would bring him back him.

]]> By: scraps http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/08/12/game-116-mariners-at-rangers/comment-page-4/#comment-134512 scraps Sun, 13 Aug 2006 09:29:34 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/08/12/game-116-mariners-at-rangers/#comment-134512 I don't understand the urge to kick Moyer out the door. Of course he's not the pitcher he once was. But he's also far from a "complete disgrace." He's still capable of being a decent innnings-eater, and how many other options do the Mariners have? He ranked second among the starters on the team in pitcher's VORP this year (21.6). That's ahead of Felix. Moyer may not be great, but he's also not one of the team's problems. I don’t understand the urge to kick Moyer out the door. Of course he’s not the pitcher he once was. But he’s also far from a “complete disgrace.” He’s still capable of being a decent innnings-eater, and how many other options do the Mariners have?

He ranked second among the starters on the team in pitcher’s VORP this year (21.6). That’s ahead of Felix. Moyer may not be great, but he’s also not one of the team’s problems.

]]> By: Josh http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/08/12/game-116-mariners-at-rangers/comment-page-4/#comment-134511 Josh Sun, 13 Aug 2006 04:37:32 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/08/12/game-116-mariners-at-rangers/#comment-134511 If it's truly going to be as we've been told to expect - that a one-year deal is available for Moyer should he choose it - I hope in the name of everything good and right that he realizes he's simply no longer capable, and he has enough honor to bow out before making a complete disgrace of himself and the team. He's been a respectable pitcher for a number of years. I believe he has kept himself in good shape as he's become older. On the other hand, Safeco has really hidden his flaws and amplified his strengths. He's never been quite as good as his overall stats would make him seem to be. Even in Safeco he no longer has space to hide his weaknesses as well, and on the road in anything resembling a neutral or good RH hitter's park, forget about it. If it’s truly going to be as we’ve been told to expect – that a one-year deal is available for Moyer should he choose it – I hope in the name of everything good and right that he realizes he’s simply no longer capable, and he has enough honor to bow out before making a complete disgrace of himself and the team.

He’s been a respectable pitcher for a number of years. I believe he has kept himself in good shape as he’s become older. On the other hand, Safeco has really hidden his flaws and amplified his strengths. He’s never been quite as good as his overall stats would make him seem to be. Even in Safeco he no longer has space to hide his weaknesses as well, and on the road in anything resembling a neutral or good RH hitter’s park, forget about it.

]]> By: msb http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/08/12/game-116-mariners-at-rangers/comment-page-4/#comment-134510 msb Sun, 13 Aug 2006 03:27:29 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/08/12/game-116-mariners-at-rangers/#comment-134510 omigod. I just had a horrifying vision of Rizzs being allowed to to Seahawks play-by-play ... with all those folksy stories and familial relationships and heartening happenings yet to be told. Over and over. And over. omigod. I just had a horrifying vision of Rizzs being allowed to to Seahawks play-by-play … with all those folksy stories and familial relationships and heartening happenings yet to be told. Over and over. And over.

]]> By: msb http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/08/12/game-116-mariners-at-rangers/comment-page-4/#comment-134509 msb Sun, 13 Aug 2006 03:24:17 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/08/12/game-116-mariners-at-rangers/#comment-134509 so, whats been happening with those other boys in blue? so, whats been happening with those other boys in blue?

]]> By: IdahoInvader http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/08/12/game-116-mariners-at-rangers/comment-page-4/#comment-134508 IdahoInvader Sun, 13 Aug 2006 03:22:49 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/08/12/game-116-mariners-at-rangers/#comment-134508 178 The M's didn't even play well enough to be worthy of her descriptive words 178

The M’s didn’t even play well enough to be worthy of her descriptive words

]]> By: msb http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/08/12/game-116-mariners-at-rangers/comment-page-4/#comment-134507 msb Sun, 13 Aug 2006 03:21:48 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/08/12/game-116-mariners-at-rangers/#comment-134507 #170 was a fine succinct substitute for the Expletively Explicated Lauren Summation (TM) #170 was a fine succinct substitute for the Expletively Explicated Lauren Summation (TM)

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