Comments on: Game 124, Mariners at Angels http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/08/20/game-124-mariners-at-angels/ Seattle Mariners blog and general baseball discussion Fri, 10 Feb 2012 01:19:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: true_slicky http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/08/20/game-124-mariners-at-angels/comment-page-8/#comment-137801 true_slicky Mon, 21 Aug 2006 14:05:04 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/08/20/game-124-mariners-at-angels/#comment-137801 New manager? Two words: Wally Backman. New manager? Two words: Wally Backman.

]]> By: eponymous coward http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/08/20/game-124-mariners-at-angels/comment-page-8/#comment-137761 eponymous coward Mon, 21 Aug 2006 05:20:52 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/08/20/game-124-mariners-at-angels/#comment-137761 <i>Hargrove to Baker should serve as a reminder to everyone that “anyone” is not better than Bavasi or Hargrove. Certainly we can do better than them, but you run a risk a getting someone utterly terrible.</i> The counter to that, of course, is you also run the risk of waking up some years after you hired your average GM and noticing your franchise hasn't won jack, your attendance has deteriorated, and you're spending above-average salary for below-average return, because the ABOVE-average GMs in your division and league run rings around your C student. "Settle for an average GM and hope you luck into a World Series some year, it could be worse" isn't particularly inspiring, when you consider the potential this market has demonstrated. The bloom's off Safeco's rose, just like it is for Baltimore, Milwaukee and Pittsburgh- you won't see 3.4 million butts in the seats again until there are shiny rings and pennants. You might run risks of Cam Bonifay if you make a change, true- at which point you fire him, too, until you get it right- but why should you expect your team to be outstanding if you don't have a GM capable of being outstanding? Hargrove to Baker should serve as a reminder to everyone that “anyone” is not better than Bavasi or Hargrove. Certainly we can do better than them, but you run a risk a getting someone utterly terrible.

The counter to that, of course, is you also run the risk of waking up some years after you hired your average GM and noticing your franchise hasn’t won jack, your attendance has deteriorated, and you’re spending above-average salary for below-average return, because the ABOVE-average GMs in your division and league run rings around your C student.

“Settle for an average GM and hope you luck into a World Series some year, it could be worse” isn’t particularly inspiring, when you consider the potential this market has demonstrated. The bloom’s off Safeco’s rose, just like it is for Baltimore, Milwaukee and Pittsburgh- you won’t see 3.4 million butts in the seats again until there are shiny rings and pennants. You might run risks of Cam Bonifay if you make a change, true- at which point you fire him, too, until you get it right- but why should you expect your team to be outstanding if you don’t have a GM capable of being outstanding?

]]> By: FBJ http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/08/20/game-124-mariners-at-angels/comment-page-8/#comment-137739 FBJ Mon, 21 Aug 2006 04:38:04 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/08/20/game-124-mariners-at-angels/#comment-137739 might be interesting to see where doyle appears in upcoming m's telecasts might be interesting to see where doyle appears in upcoming m’s telecasts

]]> By: msb http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/08/20/game-124-mariners-at-angels/comment-page-8/#comment-137719 msb Mon, 21 Aug 2006 03:24:38 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/08/20/game-124-mariners-at-angels/#comment-137719 #383-- well, as Stone immediately says "But the Mariners didn't interview him then, when Baker was coming off a pennant, and so it's hard to envision strong interest now, when he is coming off a horrible season that has damaged his stature" I wouldn't get to worked up about it... #383– well, as Stone immediately says “But the Mariners didn’t interview him then, when Baker was coming off a pennant,
and so it’s hard to envision strong interest now, when he is coming off a horrible season that has damaged his stature” I wouldn’t get to worked up about it…

]]> By: dw http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/08/20/game-124-mariners-at-angels/comment-page-8/#comment-137718 dw Mon, 21 Aug 2006 02:58:55 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/08/20/game-124-mariners-at-angels/#comment-137718 Hargrove to Baker should serve as a reminder to everyone that "anyone" is not better than Bavasi or Hargrove. Certainly we can do better than them, but you run a risk a getting someone utterly terrible. For every Ozzie Guillen there's a Buddy Bell; for every Billy Beane a Cam Bonifay. I would say, though, that Bavasi is an average GM, so the chance of getting someone worse is probably 50/50, where with Hargrove it's probably 1 in 3 odds Buddy Bell is on the bench in 2007. Hargrove to Baker should serve as a reminder to everyone that “anyone” is not better than Bavasi or Hargrove. Certainly we can do better than them, but you run a risk a getting someone utterly terrible. For every Ozzie Guillen there’s a Buddy Bell; for every Billy Beane a Cam Bonifay.

I would say, though, that Bavasi is an average GM, so the chance of getting someone worse is probably 50/50, where with Hargrove it’s probably 1 in 3 odds Buddy Bell is on the bench in 2007.

]]> By: JG http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/08/20/game-124-mariners-at-angels/comment-page-8/#comment-137717 JG Mon, 21 Aug 2006 02:15:04 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/08/20/game-124-mariners-at-angels/#comment-137717 Wow. Hargrove to Baker. Talk about out of the frying pan and into the fire. Wow. Hargrove to Baker. Talk about out of the frying pan and into the fire.

]]> By: msb http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/08/20/game-124-mariners-at-angels/comment-page-8/#comment-137714 msb Mon, 21 Aug 2006 01:30:19 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/08/20/game-124-mariners-at-angels/#comment-137714 thanks for checking in, Sriram. well, just checking in myself after a 3+ hour wait in the ferry line; we got to turn the car on just in time to hear the bottom of the ninth... skipping over Kelley in a hurry I was entertained by Larry Stone's managerial hunt <a href="http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/mariners/2003211516_stone20.html" rel="nofollow">today:</a> "With the pennant race no longer on the itinerary for the Mariners and their fans, it's time to move straight to the recrimination portion of our program." thanks for checking in, Sriram.

well, just checking in myself after a 3+ hour wait in the ferry line; we got to turn the car on just in time to hear the bottom of the ninth…

skipping over Kelley in a hurry I was entertained by Larry Stone’s managerial hunt today:

“With the pennant race no longer on the itinerary for the Mariners and their fans, it’s time to move straight to the recrimination portion of our program.”

]]> By: joser http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/08/20/game-124-mariners-at-angels/comment-page-8/#comment-137713 joser Mon, 21 Aug 2006 01:23:39 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/08/20/game-124-mariners-at-angels/#comment-137713 And the twelve-year-olds get let out to play on the blogs, as long as they're home by dinner. And the twelve-year-olds get let out to play on the blogs, as long as they’re home by dinner.

]]> By: eponymous coward http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/08/20/game-124-mariners-at-angels/comment-page-8/#comment-137711 eponymous coward Mon, 21 Aug 2006 00:38:29 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/08/20/game-124-mariners-at-angels/#comment-137711 The good news since the break is that Richie (.888 OPS) and Adrian (.899) have looked good since the All-Star break. The bad news is pretty much everyone else with the exception of Yuni and Kenji is in the toilet. Ichiro's hitting like Bad Ichiro:. .277 with no power or anything, Jones and Bloomquist are ghastly as the CF, and, arguably, WFB is outhitting our All-Star 2B, and Raul's gone cold. That plus Moyer+Meche+Piñeiro putting up Boeing jetliner ERAs since the break...well, that's how you collapse as a team; half the team doesn't hit and the rotation implodes. The good news since the break is that Richie (.888 OPS) and Adrian (.899) have looked good since the All-Star break.

The bad news is pretty much everyone else with the exception of Yuni and Kenji is in the toilet. Ichiro’s hitting like Bad Ichiro:. .277 with no power or anything, Jones and Bloomquist are ghastly as the CF, and, arguably, WFB is outhitting our All-Star 2B, and Raul’s gone cold.

That plus Moyer+Meche+Piñeiro putting up Boeing jetliner ERAs since the break…well, that’s how you collapse as a team; half the team doesn’t hit and the rotation implodes.

]]> By: dw http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/08/20/game-124-mariners-at-angels/comment-page-8/#comment-137710 dw Mon, 21 Aug 2006 00:25:47 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/08/20/game-124-mariners-at-angels/#comment-137710 There is some precedent for firing a manager during or following a bad losing streak, though. I know we only have 40 or so days left in the season, but it would be nice to boot Hargrove and give Rohn a chance to show everyone what he can do. If he does well, we keep him. If a better choice comes along, we hire that guy and Rohn goes to Arizona or Chicago or wherever. If he's putrid, we go get someone else. If Grover isn't coming back, then why keep him in the dugout the rest of the way? Give Rohn a chance. There is some precedent for firing a manager during or following a bad losing streak, though. I know we only have 40 or so days left in the season, but it would be nice to boot Hargrove and give Rohn a chance to show everyone what he can do. If he does well, we keep him. If a better choice comes along, we hire that guy and Rohn goes to Arizona or Chicago or wherever. If he’s putrid, we go get someone else.

If Grover isn’t coming back, then why keep him in the dugout the rest of the way? Give Rohn a chance.

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