Comments on: Game 141, Rangers at Mariners http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/09/09/game-141-rangers-at-mariners/ Seattle Mariners blog and general baseball discussion Fri, 10 Feb 2012 01:19:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: John D. http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/09/09/game-141-rangers-at-mariners/comment-page-6/#comment-143268 John D. Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:20:56 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/09/09/game-141-rangers-at-mariners/#comment-143268 PINCH-HITTING NAVARRO (See # 250) - IIRC, Broussard is chopped liver in the hands of lefties--even when bunting. Even though pinch-hitting Navarro would probably bring in a right-handed pitcher, Navarro's chances of laying down a bunt sucessfully would still probably be a lot better than Broussard's. [Although some think that he simply went for the match-up, I'm sure that Grover considered all this before he made his move. Ahem.] BTW, # 253 answers the other concern. PINCH-HITTING NAVARRO (See # 250) – IIRC, Broussard is chopped liver in the hands of lefties–even when bunting. Even though pinch-hitting Navarro would probably bring in a right-handed pitcher, Navarro’s chances of laying down a bunt sucessfully would still probably be a lot better than Broussard’s. [Although some think that he simply went for the match-up, I'm sure that Grover considered all this before he made his move. Ahem.]

BTW, # 253 answers the other concern.

]]> By: joser http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/09/09/game-141-rangers-at-mariners/comment-page-6/#comment-143266 joser Sun, 10 Sep 2006 17:36:16 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/09/09/game-141-rangers-at-mariners/#comment-143266 And, dare I point out: according to <a href="http://fangraphs.com/wins.aspx?date=2006-09-09&team=Mariners&dh=0&season=2006" rel="nofollow">Fangraph's WPA</a> the most valuable position player on the M's last night? Bloomquist. The most valuable pitcher (and player overall): Fruto. Clearly that was a game determined by pitching, and the M's were fortunate to have a better bullpen (one they mostly shouldn't have had to use if their bats had been even slightly more effective). And, dare I point out: according to Fangraph’s WPA the most valuable position player on the M’s last night? Bloomquist. The most valuable pitcher (and player overall): Fruto. Clearly that was a game determined by pitching, and the M’s were fortunate to have a better bullpen (one they mostly shouldn’t have had to use if their bats had been even slightly more effective).

]]> By: joser http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/09/09/game-141-rangers-at-mariners/comment-page-6/#comment-143265 joser Sun, 10 Sep 2006 08:37:13 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/09/09/game-141-rangers-at-mariners/#comment-143265 Wow. I go off to the Devo concert and it's zero-zero in the 3rd. I come out and wander into Vons to see if I can catch some highlights only to discover --WTF!?-- the game is still on, it's the 13th inning, and I'm just in time to catch the Navarro-Johjima-Lopez sequence. Now that's a ballgame! Wow. I go off to the Devo concert and it’s zero-zero in the 3rd. I come out and wander into Vons to see if I can catch some highlights only to discover –WTF!?– the game is still on, it’s the 13th inning, and I’m just in time to catch the Navarro-Johjima-Lopez sequence. Now that’s a ballgame!

]]> By: mln http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/09/09/game-141-rangers-at-mariners/comment-page-6/#comment-143264 mln Sun, 10 Sep 2006 07:57:48 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/09/09/game-141-rangers-at-mariners/#comment-143264 Yeah. Another win for the Mariners. Only 5 games below .500 now. If the Mariners finish strong against the AL West and end up above .500, that's another feather in Mike Hargrove's cap. And the Mariners will be sure to bring him back for 2007. (ducks) Yeah. Another win for the Mariners. Only 5 games below .500 now. If the Mariners finish strong against the AL West and end up above .500, that’s another feather in Mike Hargrove’s cap. And the Mariners will be sure to bring him back for 2007. (ducks)

]]> By: David J. Corcoran I http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/09/09/game-141-rangers-at-mariners/comment-page-6/#comment-143263 David J. Corcoran I Sun, 10 Sep 2006 07:50:18 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/09/09/game-141-rangers-at-mariners/#comment-143263 It's not. They play a generalized news reel over the stream. You have to get MLB Gameday Audio. It’s not. They play a generalized news reel over the stream. You have to get MLB Gameday Audio.

]]> By: Durpe http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/09/09/game-141-rangers-at-mariners/comment-page-6/#comment-143262 Durpe Sun, 10 Sep 2006 07:21:38 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/09/09/game-141-rangers-at-mariners/#comment-143262 For you guys that were interested in listening to the game on the Internet I'm pretty sure it's streamed through the komo radio website. Found here: http://www.komoradio.com/ It's free. Hope that was what you were looking for. For you guys that were interested in listening to the game on the Internet I’m pretty sure it’s streamed through the komo radio website. Found here: http://www.komoradio.com/

It’s free. Hope that was what you were looking for.

]]> By: Tom http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/09/09/game-141-rangers-at-mariners/comment-page-6/#comment-143261 Tom Sun, 10 Sep 2006 07:21:15 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/09/09/game-141-rangers-at-mariners/#comment-143261 #251-I won't celebrate until it actually happens. Especially with Bavasi as the GM. #251-I won’t celebrate until it actually happens. Especially with Bavasi as the GM.

]]> By: G-Man http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/09/09/game-141-rangers-at-mariners/comment-page-6/#comment-143260 G-Man Sun, 10 Sep 2006 06:45:24 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/09/09/game-141-rangers-at-mariners/#comment-143260 250, didn't he PH for Broussard? So he would have been the DH if his spot had come up again. 250, didn’t he PH for Broussard? So he would have been the DH if his spot had come up again.

]]> By: Red Apple http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/09/09/game-141-rangers-at-mariners/comment-page-6/#comment-143259 Red Apple Sun, 10 Sep 2006 06:29:52 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/09/09/game-141-rangers-at-mariners/#comment-143259 248 That is the correct ruling, even though it seems unfair. Per rule 4.11(c): <i>4.11 The score of a regulation game is the total number of runs scored by each team at the moment the game ends. (a) The game ends when the visiting team completes its half of the ninth inning if the home team is ahead. (b) The game ends when the ninth inning is completed, if the visiting team is ahead. (c) If the home team scores the winning run in its half of the ninth inning (or its half of an extra inning after a tie), the game ends immediately when the winning run is scored. EXCEPTION: If the last batter in a game hits a home run out of the playing field, the batter-runner and all runners on base are permitted to score, in accordance with the base-running rules, and the game ends when the batter-runner touches home plate. APPROVED RULING: The batter hits a home run out of the playing field to win the game in the last half of the ninth or an extra inning, but is called out for passing a preceding runner. The game ends immediately when the winning run is scored.</i> <a href="http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/official_info/official_rules/start_end_4.jsp" rel="nofollow">MLB.com Official Rules: 4.00 Starting and Ending a Game</a> 248

That is the correct ruling, even though it seems unfair. Per rule 4.11(c):

4.11
The score of a regulation game is the total number of runs scored by each team at the moment the game ends.
(a) The game ends when the visiting team completes its half of the ninth inning if the home team is ahead.
(b) The game ends when the ninth inning is completed, if the visiting team is ahead.
(c) If the home team scores the winning run in its half of the ninth inning (or its half of an extra inning after a tie), the game ends immediately when the winning run is scored. EXCEPTION: If the last batter in a game hits a home run out of the playing field, the batter-runner and all runners on base are permitted to score, in accordance with the base-running rules, and the game ends when the batter-runner touches home plate.
APPROVED RULING: The batter hits a home run out of the playing field to win the game in the last half of the ninth or an extra inning, but is called out for passing a preceding runner. The game ends immediately when the winning run is scored.

MLB.com Official Rules: 4.00 Starting and Ending a Game

]]> By: colm http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/09/09/game-141-rangers-at-mariners/comment-page-6/#comment-143258 colm Sun, 10 Sep 2006 06:28:56 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/09/09/game-141-rangers-at-mariners/#comment-143258 Nobody with an ounce of baseball wit could justify keeping Hargove after this season. The team underachieved substantially in the early part of the year and has played better despite, rather than because of his decisions. His in-game management is not just predictably by-the-book, it's openly inept. Remember leaveing in Mateo to get a ground ball? Further, Hargove was all over Jurassic Carl like a cheap suit - but that didn't stop the FO from showing Everett the door. Hargrove will soon follow him into a quiet retirement. Nobody with an ounce of baseball wit could justify keeping Hargove after this season. The team underachieved substantially in the early part of the year and has played better despite, rather than because of his decisions. His in-game management is not just predictably by-the-book, it’s openly inept. Remember leaveing in Mateo to get a ground ball?

Further, Hargove was all over Jurassic Carl like a cheap suit – but that didn’t stop the FO from showing Everett the door. Hargrove will soon follow him into a quiet retirement.

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