Comments on: Daily Tidbits http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/10/10/daily-tidbits/ Seattle Mariners blog and general baseball discussion Thu, 09 Feb 2012 04:59:36 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Wishhiker http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/10/10/daily-tidbits/comment-page-3/#comment-150585 Wishhiker Sat, 14 Oct 2006 19:13:32 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/10/10/daily-tidbits/#comment-150585 I recall saying it was 252% not 20% pay increase (which is however incorrect, it's 152% increase)...and even if you're just including the equal time 5/100 which, to my knowledge, has never even been corroborated as having been offered by the M's to 5/125 is a 25% increase, based upon speculation of what the M's might have offered. Again A-rod claimed that the M's only offerred 3 years which even at the same $20 million assumption would mean he took a 320% pay increase over the life of the contract, again while moving from a pitcher-friendly park to a hitter-friendly park. In retrospect the comparison is more unbalanced because 25 million is far beyond what people are getting now and likely more than he would have gotten as a FA after his first 5 years (or even 3). At the time of the signing A-rod was loved throughout baseball and I'm not sure if anyone had an inkling that public backlash would be so severe for someone agreeing to accept a rediculous contract. No one can legitimately claim that it was A-Rods fault Hicks put the offer out. A-rod said that the offer from texas was about 20million a year and suddenly jumped to 25. Had A-rod gotten injured in 2001 severely enough to haveto retire the difference remains at least double (152%-320% more). The fact that he was gauranteed money for 10 years, whether playing or not, is a larger part of the rediculous value of the contract than the $5million a year speculated difference over the five years that may have been offered by the M's. I recall saying it was 252% not 20% pay increase (which is however incorrect, it’s 152% increase)…and even if you’re just including the equal time 5/100 which, to my knowledge, has never even been corroborated as having been offered by the M’s to 5/125 is a 25% increase, based upon speculation of what the M’s might have offered. Again A-rod claimed that the M’s only offerred 3 years which even at the same $20 million assumption would mean he took a 320% pay increase over the life of the contract, again while moving from a pitcher-friendly park to a hitter-friendly park. In retrospect the comparison is more unbalanced because 25 million is far beyond what people are getting now and likely more than he would have gotten as a FA after his first 5 years (or even 3). At the time of the signing A-rod was loved throughout baseball and I’m not sure if anyone had an inkling that public backlash would be so severe for someone agreeing to accept a rediculous contract. No one can legitimately claim that it was A-Rods fault Hicks put the offer out. A-rod said that the offer from texas was about 20million a year and suddenly jumped to 25. Had A-rod gotten injured in 2001 severely enough to haveto retire the difference remains at least double (152%-320% more). The fact that he was gauranteed money for 10 years, whether playing or not, is a larger part of the rediculous value of the contract than the $5million a year speculated difference over the five years that may have been offered by the M’s.

]]> By: gwangung http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/10/10/daily-tidbits/comment-page-3/#comment-150414 gwangung Fri, 13 Oct 2006 15:21:45 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/10/10/daily-tidbits/#comment-150414 Well, I see you're impervious to comments. Au revoir. Well, I see you’re impervious to comments. Au revoir.

]]> By: Graham http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/10/10/daily-tidbits/comment-page-3/#comment-150341 Graham Thu, 12 Oct 2006 22:55:50 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/10/10/daily-tidbits/#comment-150341 #139: 'Rank jealousy'? Hardly. I never followed the Mariners when A-Rod was part of the team - so why would I be jealous? I'm not particularly envious of people with money and as a Brit I have no real need for baseball skills. It's not as though Cambridge is a hotbed for scouts. Yeah, all things are equal. Right. You could pay me minimum wage, and I'd find a 20% payrise insignificant. You can pay me 500K/year, and I wouldn't much care if I got that extra 20% or not. If it doesn't push you into another economic bracket, it means that essentially nothing changes in your lifestyle, especially at higher ends. At that point, you're ridiculously rich no matter how you slice it. But hey, that was apparently addressed both before and after my comment. I must figure out a way to unhide those sneaky comments that I apparently cannot read. And #132, the difference in years is also a matter of insurance: it's not as though Alex wouldn't get that money as a free agent after this year anyway unless he'd exploded or something in between now and 2001. #139: ‘Rank jealousy’? Hardly. I never followed the Mariners when A-Rod was part of the team – so why would I be jealous? I’m not particularly envious of people with money and as a Brit I have no real need for baseball skills. It’s not as though Cambridge is a hotbed for scouts.

Yeah, all things are equal. Right. You could pay me minimum wage, and I’d find a 20% payrise insignificant. You can pay me 500K/year, and I wouldn’t much care if I got that extra 20% or not. If it doesn’t push you into another economic bracket, it means that essentially nothing changes in your lifestyle, especially at higher ends. At that point, you’re ridiculously rich no matter how you slice it.

But hey, that was apparently addressed both before and after my comment. I must figure out a way to unhide those sneaky comments that I apparently cannot read.

And #132, the difference in years is also a matter of insurance: it’s not as though Alex wouldn’t get that money as a free agent after this year anyway unless he’d exploded or something in between now and 2001.

]]> By: gwangung http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/10/10/daily-tidbits/comment-page-3/#comment-150299 gwangung Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:11:28 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/10/10/daily-tidbits/#comment-150299 <i> #125: I had hoped that people would answer that question on a deeper level than ‘20%’, really. </i> And I hoped that people would ask questions on a deeper level than rank jealousy. It was not a particularly perceptive criticism; all things being equal, a pay differential of 20% is significant. You MUST argue that there are things that overcome that pay differential--and you simply didn't do that. What? You thought that fans in Texas WOULDN'T love him if he brought them a winner? And you certainly have been getting much deeper answers, both before and after your comment..... #125: I had hoped that people would answer that question on a deeper level than ‘20%’, really.

And I hoped that people would ask questions on a deeper level than rank jealousy.

It was not a particularly perceptive criticism; all things being equal, a pay differential of 20% is significant. You MUST argue that there are things that overcome that pay differential–and you simply didn’t do that. What? You thought that fans in Texas WOULDN’T love him if he brought them a winner?

And you certainly have been getting much deeper answers, both before and after your comment…..

]]> By: Graham http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/10/10/daily-tidbits/comment-page-3/#comment-150294 Graham Thu, 12 Oct 2006 09:22:02 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/10/10/daily-tidbits/#comment-150294 #125: I had hoped that people would answer that question on a deeper level than '20%', really. #125: I had hoped that people would answer that question on a deeper level than ’20%’, really.

]]> By: Wishhiker http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/10/10/daily-tidbits/comment-page-3/#comment-150182 Wishhiker Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:22:04 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/10/10/daily-tidbits/#comment-150182 The downside was learning a new organization at $150 million extra in a better hitters park I think it seemed worth dealing with. The downside was learning a new organization at $150 million extra in a better hitters park I think it seemed worth dealing with.

]]> By: Christopher http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/10/10/daily-tidbits/comment-page-3/#comment-150181 Christopher Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:19:26 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/10/10/daily-tidbits/#comment-150181 Not to mention at the time their owner wanted to buy a championship so I'm sure he saw glory in his future. Not to mention at the time their owner wanted to buy a championship so I’m sure he saw glory in his future.

]]> By: gwangung http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/10/10/daily-tidbits/comment-page-3/#comment-150175 gwangung Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:17:07 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/10/10/daily-tidbits/#comment-150175 Texas is a might closer to where he grew up and has a stronger Hispanic community. I don't think it's out of line for A-Rod to have considered that. Texas is a might closer to where he grew up and has a stronger Hispanic community. I don’t think it’s out of line for A-Rod to have considered that.

]]> By: Wishhiker http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/10/10/daily-tidbits/comment-page-3/#comment-150173 Wishhiker Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:09:36 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/10/10/daily-tidbits/#comment-150173 And Texas seemed like a better place to continue hitting your way to the HOF And Texas seemed like a better place to continue hitting your way to the HOF

]]> By: Wishhiker http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/10/10/daily-tidbits/comment-page-3/#comment-150172 Wishhiker Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:06:55 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/10/10/daily-tidbits/#comment-150172 124...When the guaranteed contract is twice as long at 25 million a year and you're choosing to play for the Rangers not the Yankees. 5*20=100 10*25.2=252 I see a HUGE difference 124…When the guaranteed contract is twice as long at 25 million a year and you’re choosing to play for the Rangers not the Yankees.

5*20=100
10*25.2=252

I see a HUGE difference

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