Comments on: Evaluating Managers, Again http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/10/23/evaluating-managers-again/ Seattle Mariners blog and general baseball discussion Fri, 10 Feb 2012 01:19:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: DMZ http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/10/23/evaluating-managers-again/comment-page-1/#comment-151720 DMZ Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:17:53 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/10/23/evaluating-managers-again/#comment-151720 As a Cubs fan, you should fight that optimism. As a Cubs fan, you should fight that optimism.

]]> By: Todd S. http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/10/23/evaluating-managers-again/comment-page-1/#comment-151719 Todd S. Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:06:32 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/10/23/evaluating-managers-again/#comment-151719 Hmmm...as a Cubs fan, this makes cautionsly, very cautiously, slightly optimistic. I still would have preferred to see what Girardi could do. Hmmm…as a Cubs fan, this makes cautionsly, very cautiously, slightly optimistic. I still would have preferred to see what Girardi could do.

]]> By: westfried http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/10/23/evaluating-managers-again/comment-page-1/#comment-151712 westfried Tue, 24 Oct 2006 17:28:07 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/10/23/evaluating-managers-again/#comment-151712 And, I would argue, the "Year of Five Starters" (tm) in 2003 was a direct cause of the rotation falling apart in 2004. Thus, Melvin does deserve the blame for that, even if it shows up in the following year. And, I would argue, the “Year of Five Starters” ™ in 2003 was a direct cause of the rotation falling apart in 2004. Thus, Melvin does deserve the blame for that, even if it shows up in the following year.

]]> By: Evan http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/10/23/evaluating-managers-again/comment-page-1/#comment-151711 Evan Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:49:22 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/10/23/evaluating-managers-again/#comment-151711 If he'd gone through the whole year wih only 4 starters, then I'd be impressed. What he actually did was really just slavish devotion to an inefficient model. If he’d gone through the whole year wih only 4 starters, then I’d be impressed.

What he actually did was really just slavish devotion to an inefficient model.

]]> By: Josh http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/10/23/evaluating-managers-again/comment-page-1/#comment-151700 Josh Tue, 24 Oct 2006 05:55:16 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/10/23/evaluating-managers-again/#comment-151700 <i>Wasn’t that the Year Of Only Five Starter? No, wait, that was 2003. In which Melvin also did a pretty crappy job with those guys.</i> But... But... He tied a record! That's pretty cool! Wasn’t that the Year Of Only Five Starter? No, wait, that was 2003. In which Melvin also did a pretty crappy job with those guys.

But… But… He tied a record! That’s pretty cool!

]]> By: JMHawkins http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/10/23/evaluating-managers-again/comment-page-1/#comment-151697 JMHawkins Tue, 24 Oct 2006 04:28:54 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/10/23/evaluating-managers-again/#comment-151697 <i>What, seriously? You can go back and read our 2004 posts, but Melvin did a pretty crappy job with those guys</i> Wasn't that the Year Of Only Five Starter? No, wait, that was 2003. In which Melvin also did a pretty crappy job with those guys. What, seriously? You can go back and read our 2004 posts, but Melvin did a pretty crappy job with those guys

Wasn’t that the Year Of Only Five Starter? No, wait, that was 2003. In which Melvin also did a pretty crappy job with those guys.

]]> By: Evan http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/10/23/evaluating-managers-again/comment-page-1/#comment-151677 Evan Mon, 23 Oct 2006 23:56:41 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/10/23/evaluating-managers-again/#comment-151677 <i>Hargrove’s Orioles quit on him</i> Since his primary job is to motivate the players, I call that pretty damning. Hargrove’s Orioles quit on him

Since his primary job is to motivate the players, I call that pretty damning.

]]> By: DMZ http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/10/23/evaluating-managers-again/comment-page-1/#comment-151675 DMZ Mon, 23 Oct 2006 23:51:36 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/10/23/evaluating-managers-again/#comment-151675 <i>For instance, Bob Melvin ends up losing points because the Mariners starting rotation fell apart in 2004. How the heck was that Bob Melvin’s fault?</i> What, seriously? You can go back and read our 2004 posts, but Melvin did a pretty crappy job with those guys. For instance, Bob Melvin ends up losing points because the Mariners starting rotation fell apart in 2004. How the heck was that Bob Melvin’s fault?

What, seriously? You can go back and read our 2004 posts, but Melvin did a pretty crappy job with those guys.

]]> By: eponymous coward http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/10/23/evaluating-managers-again/comment-page-1/#comment-151673 eponymous coward Mon, 23 Oct 2006 23:03:48 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/10/23/evaluating-managers-again/#comment-151673 I've always thought Lou was good at using all 25 guys on the roster and assembling a solid bench, and his biggest flaw (abusing starting pitchers) can be fixed fairly easily by giving him a good pitching coach he develops a rapport with. He wasn't going to win in Tampa any more than Casey Stengel was going to win in Boston, Brooklyn or with the Mets- not in a division where two of the competitors have 5-10 times the financial resources, and not anywhere where the ownership has clearly decided the path of least resistance is being a farm team to the rest of the league they play in while cashing the revenue-sharing checks. His chances in the Central are somewhat better, because while Chicago's not a great franchise, nobody owns that division like Boston and NY own the AL East, and the resources in Wrigley are better than the ones in Tampa. That being said, I won't be surprised if he doesn't win out there, and ends up gone ala Baker, Baylor and so on. I’ve always thought Lou was good at using all 25 guys on the roster and assembling a solid bench, and his biggest flaw (abusing starting pitchers) can be fixed fairly easily by giving him a good pitching coach he develops a rapport with.

He wasn’t going to win in Tampa any more than Casey Stengel was going to win in Boston, Brooklyn or with the Mets- not in a division where two of the competitors have 5-10 times the financial resources, and not anywhere where the ownership has clearly decided the path of least resistance is being a farm team to the rest of the league they play in while cashing the revenue-sharing checks.

His chances in the Central are somewhat better, because while Chicago’s not a great franchise, nobody owns that division like Boston and NY own the AL East, and the resources in Wrigley are better than the ones in Tampa. That being said, I won’t be surprised if he doesn’t win out there, and ends up gone ala Baker, Baylor and so on.

]]> By: James T http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/10/23/evaluating-managers-again/comment-page-1/#comment-151672 James T Mon, 23 Oct 2006 23:00:12 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/10/23/evaluating-managers-again/#comment-151672 Almost forgot. Scioscia's Angels totally collapsed in the second half of 2003. Not quite to the degree of the Hargrove collapse cited but badly enough that one might've cashiered him for good, too. Almost forgot. Scioscia’s Angels totally collapsed in the second half of 2003. Not quite to the degree of the Hargrove collapse cited but badly enough that one might’ve cashiered him for good, too.

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