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	<title>Comments on: No Matsuzaka, but you may get another CO</title>
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		<title>By: matthew</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/10/26/no-matsuzaka-but-you-may-get-another-co/comment-page-2/#comment-152380</link>
		<dc:creator>matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Oct 2006 01:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I may have missed the date somewhere, but when exactly will we know who won the rights to negotiate with the highest bid?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I may have missed the date somewhere, but when exactly will we know who won the rights to negotiate with the highest bid?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve T</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/10/26/no-matsuzaka-but-you-may-get-another-co/comment-page-2/#comment-152165</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 19:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think y&#039;all are lowballing the posting fee. I think the Yankees have a hardon for the guy, and they&#039;re going to post north of $40 million.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think y&#8217;all are lowballing the posting fee. I think the Yankees have a hardon for the guy, and they&#8217;re going to post north of $40 million.</p>
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		<title>By: msb</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/10/26/no-matsuzaka-but-you-may-get-another-co/comment-page-2/#comment-152148</link>
		<dc:creator>msb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;OTOOH, Bill Bavasi has a record of telegraphing the _type_ of move heâ€™s going to make. Remember last yearâ€™s â€œlefthand sockâ€ and the 
need to get some pitching? &lt;/em&gt;

and then he got a catcher.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>OTOOH, Bill Bavasi has a record of telegraphing the _type_ of move heâ€™s going to make. Remember last yearâ€™s â€œlefthand sockâ€ and the<br />
need to get some pitching? </em></p>
<p>and then he got a catcher.</p>
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		<title>By: Deanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 07:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eh, whatever.  I&#039;ve been trying to mentally retool the way I think about the whole situation.  I mean, I obviously adore Kenji Johjima now, and am glad the Hawks got defeated by the Fighters in the playoffs, but at the same time, watching any of their catchers attempt to hit a baseball with a bat is somewhat painful.  Thinking that they wouldn&#039;t have lost if they still had Johjima and Iguchi is somewhat sad (and lessens the Fighters&#039; victory).

Either way, I don&#039;t really do roster speculation or posting speculation anyway, so I&#039;m afraid I can&#039;t really be of much help in this situation.  I can, however, write you a song about it, if you&#039;d like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eh, whatever.  I&#8217;ve been trying to mentally retool the way I think about the whole situation.  I mean, I obviously adore Kenji Johjima now, and am glad the Hawks got defeated by the Fighters in the playoffs, but at the same time, watching any of their catchers attempt to hit a baseball with a bat is somewhat painful.  Thinking that they wouldn&#8217;t have lost if they still had Johjima and Iguchi is somewhat sad (and lessens the Fighters&#8217; victory).</p>
<p>Either way, I don&#8217;t really do roster speculation or posting speculation anyway, so I&#8217;m afraid I can&#8217;t really be of much help in this situation.  I can, however, write you a song about it, if you&#8217;d like.</p>
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		<title>By: Oly Rainiers Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oly Rainiers Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 03:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#26 - International signing bonuses are starting to rise, rise, rise with one factor being agents like Boras jumping in and representing the best of the best.  Even so, Felix&#039;s bonus wasn&#039;t all that much compared to some others - like Francisco Rodriguez, who got 960,000 and Miguel Cabrera, who pulled down a cool 1.8 million bonus from the Marlins - both when they were SIXTEEN years old.  Craziness.

#53 (and Deanna): The whole point of the agreement with the Japanese League and MLB is, from Japan&#039;s perspective, supposed to prevent the Japanese League from just becoming a farm team (like the Mexican League is) to MLB.  They consider themselves a major league, so yeah, if they start losing too many good players to MLB and the quality of their league starts suffering noticeably because of it, I&#039;d be wondering what additional changes they&#039;d be wanting to make to that agreement with MLB (it gets re-negotiated every couple years I think).  

Of course, they may have bigger problems in that an article I read recently said the Japanese players union is starting to make some noise about how the agreement might violate Japanese anti-trust laws....if that movement gains any traction, the Japanese league would be in big trouble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#26 &#8211; International signing bonuses are starting to rise, rise, rise with one factor being agents like Boras jumping in and representing the best of the best.  Even so, Felix&#8217;s bonus wasn&#8217;t all that much compared to some others &#8211; like Francisco Rodriguez, who got 960,000 and Miguel Cabrera, who pulled down a cool 1.8 million bonus from the Marlins &#8211; both when they were SIXTEEN years old.  Craziness.</p>
<p>#53 (and Deanna): The whole point of the agreement with the Japanese League and MLB is, from Japan&#8217;s perspective, supposed to prevent the Japanese League from just becoming a farm team (like the Mexican League is) to MLB.  They consider themselves a major league, so yeah, if they start losing too many good players to MLB and the quality of their league starts suffering noticeably because of it, I&#8217;d be wondering what additional changes they&#8217;d be wanting to make to that agreement with MLB (it gets re-negotiated every couple years I think).  </p>
<p>Of course, they may have bigger problems in that an article I read recently said the Japanese players union is starting to make some noise about how the agreement might violate Japanese anti-trust laws&#8230;.if that movement gains any traction, the Japanese league would be in big trouble.</p>
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		<title>By: Typical Idiot Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Typical Idiot Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 03:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;On the other hand, in general she wonâ€™t comment on the NPB hemorrhaging all of its talent to the MLB, because it depresses her. Itâ€™d probably depress you too if aliens from outer space kept coming in and kidnapping all the top talent in your league and leaving things like Shane Spencer to take its place.&lt;/em&gt;

What a horribly negative way of looking at things.  Although NPB and hte posting process seems a smidge on the reprehensible side in that it feels more like selling human beings then wishing them well with greater competition, it isn&#039;t as if you&#039;re not a fan of Major League Baseball too.

To fit your analogy, if I happened to also like, follow, and watch Galactic League Baseball, I would watch my favorite former Earthican players taking on the best of the best on a greater scale.  Meanwhile, if Tip-Tac- and Toe from the Zoq-Fot-Pik Frungy Leagues was purchased by the New York Yankees to play second base even though they hit a combined (3 splits) .235 / .290 / .336 and were horrible at fielding seeing as how they have no arms, I&#039;d be interested in seeing how the newcomers handle the insane New York Media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>On the other hand, in general she wonâ€™t comment on the NPB hemorrhaging all of its talent to the MLB, because it depresses her. Itâ€™d probably depress you too if aliens from outer space kept coming in and kidnapping all the top talent in your league and leaving things like Shane Spencer to take its place.</em></p>
<p>What a horribly negative way of looking at things.  Although NPB and hte posting process seems a smidge on the reprehensible side in that it feels more like selling human beings then wishing them well with greater competition, it isn&#8217;t as if you&#8217;re not a fan of Major League Baseball too.</p>
<p>To fit your analogy, if I happened to also like, follow, and watch Galactic League Baseball, I would watch my favorite former Earthican players taking on the best of the best on a greater scale.  Meanwhile, if Tip-Tac- and Toe from the Zoq-Fot-Pik Frungy Leagues was purchased by the New York Yankees to play second base even though they hit a combined (3 splits) .235 / .290 / .336 and were horrible at fielding seeing as how they have no arms, I&#8217;d be interested in seeing how the newcomers handle the insane New York Media.</p>
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		<title>By: BelaXadux</title>
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		<dc:creator>BelaXadux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 03:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d love to believe that the &#039;info&#039; in the article referenced is a disinformation mindgame, but to play a mindgame you have to have a mind.  The posting fee for Matsuzaka is at a frightening altitude under any circumstance, and the Mariners can have little love for that kind of price.  OTOH Bavasi does have a good record of keeping his lip zipped on his _specific_ plans, and it&#039;s difficult to believe that the Ms wouldn&#039;t even make an offer on Matsuzaka.  If the Ms do actually post and win, it probably wouldn&#039;t affect signings with the a dollar value like Felix, J-Lopez, and so on, but it would surely affect deals like the YuBet sign where the Ms trumped a bidding war with multiple millions and a major-league deal:  that&#039;s the kind of offer that wouldn&#039;t be made for several years, to me.

OTOOH, Bill Bavasi has a record of telegraphing the _type_ of move he&#039;s going to make.  Remember last year&#039;s &quot;lefthand sock&quot; and the need to get some pitching?  His remarks there were not exceptional, and indicated his real intentions, just like the year before he made it clear he was going to sign some big bats.  I do not doubt that Bavasi is zeroing in on a corner outfielder with power; that just fits how he and his guys have been &#039;building the team,&#039; to me.  And I&#039;ve thought for many months that the Ms FO as a group were going to make a move on Jason Schmidt.  So by that matrix, Matsuzaka is their third priority, and a hyper-expensive one, if they make an offer.  

My gut feeling for some time for what it&#039;s worth [I&#039;ll save you the trouble, Dave:  &quot;Nothing.&quot;] is that Matsuzaka will NOT be a Mariner.  Nothing in the article counters that feeling.  Don&#039;t let it creep up on you, folks, if it happens that the Ms big offseason moves this year are something like Cliff Floyd and Jason Schmidt.  . . . Which is why I&#039;m watching more squash than baseball these days.  Ramy Ashour is something, inn&#039;t he, hey?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d love to believe that the &#8216;info&#8217; in the article referenced is a disinformation mindgame, but to play a mindgame you have to have a mind.  The posting fee for Matsuzaka is at a frightening altitude under any circumstance, and the Mariners can have little love for that kind of price.  OTOH Bavasi does have a good record of keeping his lip zipped on his _specific_ plans, and it&#8217;s difficult to believe that the Ms wouldn&#8217;t even make an offer on Matsuzaka.  If the Ms do actually post and win, it probably wouldn&#8217;t affect signings with the a dollar value like Felix, J-Lopez, and so on, but it would surely affect deals like the YuBet sign where the Ms trumped a bidding war with multiple millions and a major-league deal:  that&#8217;s the kind of offer that wouldn&#8217;t be made for several years, to me.</p>
<p>OTOOH, Bill Bavasi has a record of telegraphing the _type_ of move he&#8217;s going to make.  Remember last year&#8217;s &#8220;lefthand sock&#8221; and the need to get some pitching?  His remarks there were not exceptional, and indicated his real intentions, just like the year before he made it clear he was going to sign some big bats.  I do not doubt that Bavasi is zeroing in on a corner outfielder with power; that just fits how he and his guys have been &#8216;building the team,&#8217; to me.  And I&#8217;ve thought for many months that the Ms FO as a group were going to make a move on Jason Schmidt.  So by that matrix, Matsuzaka is their third priority, and a hyper-expensive one, if they make an offer.  </p>
<p>My gut feeling for some time for what it&#8217;s worth [I'll save you the trouble, Dave:  "Nothing."] is that Matsuzaka will NOT be a Mariner.  Nothing in the article counters that feeling.  Don&#8217;t let it creep up on you, folks, if it happens that the Ms big offseason moves this year are something like Cliff Floyd and Jason Schmidt.  . . . Which is why I&#8217;m watching more squash than baseball these days.  Ramy Ashour is something, inn&#8217;t he, hey?</p>
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		<title>By: mln</title>
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		<dc:creator>mln</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 01:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article might be part of the Mariners&#039; disinformation plan, as suggested. Or it could be what the Mariners actually intend to do.

The question is do you think the Mariners are Machiavellian enough to conceive of this type of plan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article might be part of the Mariners&#8217; disinformation plan, as suggested. Or it could be what the Mariners actually intend to do.</p>
<p>The question is do you think the Mariners are Machiavellian enough to conceive of this type of plan.</p>
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		<title>By: Thingray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thingray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 23:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like the Fighters won!</description>
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		<title>By: Thingray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thingray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 22:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Deanna, I was going to ask you about it over at Marinerds, but I couldn&#039;t access the site for some reason (error message said it was unavailable).

Didn&#039;t mean to bring up a touchy subject. I hope the Japan Series was worth staying up for. I look forward to reading the update as soon as I can access Marinerds again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Deanna, I was going to ask you about it over at Marinerds, but I couldn&#8217;t access the site for some reason (error message said it was unavailable).</p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t mean to bring up a touchy subject. I hope the Japan Series was worth staying up for. I look forward to reading the update as soon as I can access Marinerds again.</p>
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