Comments on: More PMR defense goodness

By: DMZ

DMZ — Thu, 23 Nov 2006 02:55:40 +0000

Betancourt is sweet. I feel sometimes like Gammons when he said that he didn’t care about RF if RF said Jeter wasn’t the best player in baseball, but having watched Yuni this long and noted how far he moves to make sure-handed plays on balls, I have to admit that if someone came up with a defensive metric that said he sucked, I’d be extremely resistant to their pleas.

By: tangotiger

tangotiger — Thu, 23 Nov 2006 02:43:59 +0000

Betancourt came out near the top. First PBP metric to do so.

By: JI

JI — Wed, 22 Nov 2006 03:54:00 +0000

[i]Casey still has a rep as a defensive wiz[/i]

This is the first I’ve heard of it.

By: terry

terry — Wed, 22 Nov 2006 03:36:44 +0000

Adam Dunn is below average but while the ’06 UZR suggests he’s a -20 run guy, PMR rates hims as much less damaging… The PMR suggests Dunn and Ibanez are pretty much equivalent defenders……

By: msb

msb — Wed, 22 Nov 2006 02:37:26 +0000

but, Dave, he’s The Nicest Guy In Baseball (TM)

By: Dave

Dave — Wed, 22 Nov 2006 02:19:30 +0000

Casey still has a rep as a defensive wiz, and he’s beloved in every clubhouse he’s ever been in. He’s getting paid for who he is as a person, not who he is as a player.

By: Adam S

Adam S — Wed, 22 Nov 2006 02:16:09 +0000

How does Sean Casey have a job, much less a $4M contract? I know you said to take 1B numbers with a grain of salt, but he’s a replacement level hitter whose power seems to be permanently gone (52 2B and only 17 HR in his last 1000 PA) and he’s a bad fielder. When I saw the contract yesterday and the negative offensive value, I assumed he was a defensive wiz.

I know Shelton tanked after a hot April, but doesn’t he have to be better not to mention $3.5M cheaper?

By: shaunmc

shaunmc — Wed, 22 Nov 2006 01:52:36 +0000

Betancourt comes in at fourth for shortstops after Adam Everett, Bill Hall and Craig Counsell(!)

By: marc w

marc w — Wed, 22 Nov 2006 01:44:56 +0000

It's not a UZR v. PMR comparison, but it *is* interesting: It's PMR vs. ZR. It looks like Ibanez is one of those players that really divides the metrics, with PMR seeing him as terrible and ZR having him as average to a bit above. One more link; great discussion at tangotiger's blog in the comments here.

By: Evan

Evan — Wed, 22 Nov 2006 01:17:25 +0000

Low scores for Vernon Wells, too. I’ve never thought he looked particularly good in CF (he looks slow when he runs), but he does have a strong accurate arm (see the 2006 All-Star game), so maybe that’s why he won the gold glove.