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		<title>By: colm</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/11/22/more-insanity/comment-page-2/#comment-154578</link>
		<dc:creator>colm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 21:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeez, how much would a 30 year old Mark MacLemore command in this market?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeez, how much would a 30 year old Mark MacLemore command in this market?</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/11/22/more-insanity/comment-page-2/#comment-154547</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 10:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I think Pierre is pretty similar performance-wise to Chone Figgins, who was already patrolling CF sometimes for the LAAAs, and only makes about 3 mil a year. Pierre probably has a better baserunning ability, but man if I was Chone Figgins Iâ€™d be feeling like a sucker right now.&lt;/i&gt;

Now those two are actually similar.

Figgins actually has had a little better success rate stealing and has swiped quite a few the last couple of years.

I&#039;m not sure specifically where either of them would be defensively but they both make me feel near the middle of the pack. Nothing spectacular.

Figgins walks a little &quot;more&quot; and has a little &quot;more&quot; power. Has a slightly lower BA though. .011 higher OPS.

Almost a draw, with the difference being apparently $6 million a year. Since he can play a bunch of different positions (well? prolly not) will he be in line for $12 million a year soon?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I think Pierre is pretty similar performance-wise to Chone Figgins, who was already patrolling CF sometimes for the LAAAs, and only makes about 3 mil a year. Pierre probably has a better baserunning ability, but man if I was Chone Figgins Iâ€™d be feeling like a sucker right now.</i></p>
<p>Now those two are actually similar.</p>
<p>Figgins actually has had a little better success rate stealing and has swiped quite a few the last couple of years.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure specifically where either of them would be defensively but they both make me feel near the middle of the pack. Nothing spectacular.</p>
<p>Figgins walks a little &#8220;more&#8221; and has a little &#8220;more&#8221; power. Has a slightly lower BA though. .011 higher OPS.</p>
<p>Almost a draw, with the difference being apparently $6 million a year. Since he can play a bunch of different positions (well? prolly not) will he be in line for $12 million a year soon?</p>
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		<title>By: colm</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/11/22/more-insanity/comment-page-2/#comment-154541</link>
		<dc:creator>colm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 09:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seriously, how marketable is Juan Pierre?  Soriano I&#039;ll give you - former Yankee, high profile career, gaudy counting stats.  Alphonso Soriano has a public image that&#039;s out of all proportion to his achievements.

But Juan Pierre?! I&#039;m a more avid baseball nut than 95% of people out there and I barely know who the guy is.  

But that contract is a steal compared to Matthews Jr.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously, how marketable is Juan Pierre?  Soriano I&#8217;ll give you &#8211; former Yankee, high profile career, gaudy counting stats.  Alphonso Soriano has a public image that&#8217;s out of all proportion to his achievements.</p>
<p>But Juan Pierre?! I&#8217;m a more avid baseball nut than 95% of people out there and I barely know who the guy is.  </p>
<p>But that contract is a steal compared to Matthews Jr.</p>
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		<title>By: Zero Gravitas</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/11/22/more-insanity/comment-page-2/#comment-154540</link>
		<dc:creator>Zero Gravitas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 09:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Pierre is pretty similar performance-wise to Chone Figgins, who was already patrolling CF sometimes for the LAAAs, and only makes about 3 mil a year. Pierre probably has a better baserunning ability, but man if I was Chone Figgins I&#039;d be feeling like a sucker right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Pierre is pretty similar performance-wise to Chone Figgins, who was already patrolling CF sometimes for the LAAAs, and only makes about 3 mil a year. Pierre probably has a better baserunning ability, but man if I was Chone Figgins I&#8217;d be feeling like a sucker right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 08:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;No one wants to talk about a players marketability or the fact that Lou Brock was caught stealing at the same percentage as Pierre (3/1). Nope, itâ€™s all about a+z. Everyone nows baseball is black and white. Either your safe or youâ€™re out.&lt;/i&gt;

Actually, Lou Brock had a 75.3% success rate compared to a 73.6% rate for Pierre. When you steal that many, a couple percentage points does make a difference.

You also ought to consider that Pierre still has a few steps to lose, so we&#039;ll see whether he can keep up the 73.6% in the coming years. Perhaps he will if he cuts down on the attempts and looks for the better opportunities instead.

Also, Brock&#039;s OPS was .753 compared to Pierre&#039;s .727. That&#039;s including the end of his career which was brutal to his OPS, so again, it would be interesting to see where Pierre&#039;s will go in the upcoming years. Brock was also playing in a completely different era, and furthermore didn&#039;t get 2 1/2 years of home games a mile above sea level.

Regardless, I really don&#039;t see them as too terribly comparable, in spite of the steals.

Maybe Pierre has some marketability, but I&#039;m not sure that it justifies $45 million when you could get someone a tick below his current and real abilities for $400k a year. Is his marketability really worth ~$8 million annually?

Just a few thoughts to consider. Most people here really don&#039;t look at things in black and white, in fact, from my angle it seems that&#039;s what they commonly advocate against.

Just happens that in this case, Pierre&#039;s more of a grey than anything bright.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>No one wants to talk about a players marketability or the fact that Lou Brock was caught stealing at the same percentage as Pierre (3/1). Nope, itâ€™s all about a+z. Everyone nows baseball is black and white. Either your safe or youâ€™re out.</i></p>
<p>Actually, Lou Brock had a 75.3% success rate compared to a 73.6% rate for Pierre. When you steal that many, a couple percentage points does make a difference.</p>
<p>You also ought to consider that Pierre still has a few steps to lose, so we&#8217;ll see whether he can keep up the 73.6% in the coming years. Perhaps he will if he cuts down on the attempts and looks for the better opportunities instead.</p>
<p>Also, Brock&#8217;s OPS was .753 compared to Pierre&#8217;s .727. That&#8217;s including the end of his career which was brutal to his OPS, so again, it would be interesting to see where Pierre&#8217;s will go in the upcoming years. Brock was also playing in a completely different era, and furthermore didn&#8217;t get 2 1/2 years of home games a mile above sea level.</p>
<p>Regardless, I really don&#8217;t see them as too terribly comparable, in spite of the steals.</p>
<p>Maybe Pierre has some marketability, but I&#8217;m not sure that it justifies $45 million when you could get someone a tick below his current and real abilities for $400k a year. Is his marketability really worth ~$8 million annually?</p>
<p>Just a few thoughts to consider. Most people here really don&#8217;t look at things in black and white, in fact, from my angle it seems that&#8217;s what they commonly advocate against.</p>
<p>Just happens that in this case, Pierre&#8217;s more of a grey than anything bright.</p>
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		<title>By: mln</title>
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		<dc:creator>mln</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 08:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Franklin Covey. Isn&#039;t he a free agent this year? What&#039;s his OPS and WARP? I bet he would be good signing this crazy offseason.

And that Gary Matthews Jr. contract just shows you the evil power of SportsCenter, which has played Matthews&#039; over-the-fence catch in CF about a bazillion times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Franklin Covey. Isn&#8217;t he a free agent this year? What&#8217;s his OPS and WARP? I bet he would be good signing this crazy offseason.</p>
<p>And that Gary Matthews Jr. contract just shows you the evil power of SportsCenter, which has played Matthews&#8217; over-the-fence catch in CF about a bazillion times.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Milos PHD</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Milos PHD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 08:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>knows</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>knows</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Milos PHD</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/11/22/more-insanity/comment-page-2/#comment-154525</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Milos PHD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 08:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry everyone 320/380/400 and 300/350/370. This does make numerical sense, but even my old 86 Topps Canseco RC list avg last. 

But whatever.

No one wants to talk about a players marketability or the fact that Lou Brock was caught stealing at the same percentage as Pierre (3/1). Nope, it&#039;s all about a+z. Everyone nows baseball is black and white. Either your safe or you&#039;re out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry everyone 320/380/400 and 300/350/370. This does make numerical sense, but even my old 86 Topps Canseco RC list avg last. </p>
<p>But whatever.</p>
<p>No one wants to talk about a players marketability or the fact that Lou Brock was caught stealing at the same percentage as Pierre (3/1). Nope, it&#8217;s all about a+z. Everyone nows baseball is black and white. Either your safe or you&#8217;re out.</p>
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		<title>By: pdb</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/11/22/more-insanity/comment-page-2/#comment-154517</link>
		<dc:creator>pdb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 07:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a Franklin Covey style guide?  What, the seven habits of highly effective editors? ugh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a Franklin Covey style guide?  What, the seven habits of highly effective editors? ugh.</p>
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		<title>By: shaunmc</title>
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		<dc:creator>shaunmc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 06:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey man, don&#039;t get mad at me just because the Chicago people don&#039;t know how to order baseball stats. If it&#039;s any consolation, I hear their proprietary defensive metric handles the issue of flyballs very well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey man, don&#8217;t get mad at me just because the Chicago people don&#8217;t know how to order baseball stats. If it&#8217;s any consolation, I hear their proprietary defensive metric handles the issue of flyballs very well.</p>
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