Comments on: Pat Gillick, Mariners Savior

By: Jeff Nye

Jeff Nye — Wed, 29 Nov 2006 06:02:36 +0000

*head in hands guy*

By: Dave

Dave — Wed, 29 Nov 2006 04:34:14 +0000

Bavasi started out as Gillick puppet, so if itâ€™s not true could you explain why youâ€™ve changed your mind?

I haven’t changed my mind. There’s a huge difference between what I wrote and what you wrote.

Which does not say exclusively, although it alludes to, Gillick not doing anything good for the Mariners.

No, it doesn’t. That’s a lousy interpretation of a statement obviously dripping in hyperbole. You’re the only one who took it that way.

By: DMZ

DMZ — Wed, 29 Nov 2006 03:56:18 +0000

You’re a very silly person, and we’re going to stop trying to reason with you now.

By: Wishhiker

Wishhiker — Wed, 29 Nov 2006 03:48:42 +0000

It’s from the header of the Post I was sent back to that DAVE wrote that I got the information that Bavasi started out as Gillick puppet, so if it’s not true could you explain why you’ve changed your mind?

“No one’s saying he was all bad.”

Then I proved my point, because it started with:

“So, thank you Pat Gillick. It’s about time you did something to help the Mariners”

Which does not say exclusively, although it alludes to, Gillick not doing anything good for the Mariners. It’s possible that by “it’s about time” you meant something along the lines of “it’s been years since” however that’s far from a standard translation of the phrase.
I don’t see how someone as intelligent as you could have meant anything but “Thanks Gillick, this is the first thing you’ve ever done to help the Mariners.” That is simply the most direct translation for the paragraph.

By: eponymous coward

eponymous coward — Wed, 29 Nov 2006 03:39:11 +0000

Funny, isn’t it, that Bill Bavasi brought in Bob Fontaine to run his drafts for him to replace Frank Mattox. It’s almost as if he thought it was an important way to bring talent into his team, and he thought it important to put a guy with a proven track record there.

Whereas Pat Gillick left Frank Mattox there- almost as if he didn’t give a crap who got drafted during his tenure as GM.

Huh, go figure, people critiqued Gillick on that and the unproductivity of the farm system (exactly ZERO Mariner regular position players from the minors between A-Rod and Jose Lopez). I can’t imagine why, or why it would be related to an old Mariners team collapsing in 2004 and not getting back up afterwards.

By: Wishhiker

Wishhiker — Wed, 29 Nov 2006 03:38:36 +0000

This sounds like it may come from the root of this teams inability to admit it’s mistakes and move on so I’d say somewhere between Armstrong and Lincoln, but that’s a guess.

By: Dave

Dave — Wed, 29 Nov 2006 03:36:44 +0000

I just gave you my base and then you told me it was baseless.

Your base is created in your mind. There’s no evidence of anything there – it’s just “those drafts sucked, I bet that Gillick didn’t have control then.”

I recently read more talk of Mattoxâ€™s responsibility on Mariners Revolution.

There are good sources of information in the world, and then there are blogs like that.

They brought in Bavasi to oversee the Minor League aspects of the team and let Gillick continue (with dissention from Bavasi) on Major league roster acquisition.

That’s not true.

The same happenned on the other end with Mattox having more MiL control than Gillick, the difference is that Mattox had no say at all on the Major league level and that worked better.

That’s not true either.

Regardless this is more in depth than it needs to beâ€¦Gillick wasnâ€™t all bad for the Mâ€™s is all I was saying.

No one’s saying he was all bad.

By: Wishhiker

Wishhiker — Wed, 29 Nov 2006 03:35:58 +0000

Armstrong?

By: Graham

Graham — Wed, 29 Nov 2006 03:27:21 +0000

So… why was he still the scouting director?

By: Wishhiker

Wishhiker — Wed, 29 Nov 2006 03:22:09 +0000

Exactly my point except you missed 1998

Matt Thornton, Scott Atchison

Thank you Frank Mattox