Comments on: Pretty boring Tuesday http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/12/12/pretty-boring-tuesday/ Seattle Mariners blog and general baseball discussion Thu, 09 Feb 2012 23:35:08 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Karen http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/12/12/pretty-boring-tuesday/comment-page-3/#comment-158613 Karen Thu, 14 Dec 2006 02:16:47 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/12/12/pretty-boring-tuesday/#comment-158613 Or, to say it another way, both Matsuzaka AND the Red Sox are paying Seibu the posting fee to allow Matsuzaka out of his 10 year obligation before free agency, so the Red Sox are correct in including the cost of the posting fee in the total negotiated amount. What other way could Matsuzaka get Seibu to let him loose before the 10 years are up? Retiring is out; Nomo's end-around closed that loophole. If Boras' next ploy is to have posted Japanese players return to Japan and demand the equivalent of their posted fee in a re-worked contract for the remainder of their 10 year obligation....well, good luck, Scotty. Or, to say it another way, both Matsuzaka AND the Red Sox are paying Seibu the posting fee to allow Matsuzaka out of his 10 year obligation before free agency, so the Red Sox are correct in including the cost of the posting fee in the total negotiated amount.

What other way could Matsuzaka get Seibu to let him loose before the 10 years are up? Retiring is out; Nomo’s end-around closed that loophole.

If Boras’ next ploy is to have posted Japanese players return to Japan and demand the equivalent of their posted fee in a re-worked contract for the remainder of their 10 year obligation….well, good luck, Scotty.

]]> By: LB http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/12/12/pretty-boring-tuesday/comment-page-3/#comment-158589 LB Thu, 14 Dec 2006 00:44:29 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/12/12/pretty-boring-tuesday/#comment-158589 #11: Boras can say whatever he wants. It's his job to pump up the contract. <em><strong>Of course</strong></em>, Matsuzaka has to accept a discount, because he is not a free agent. If Matsuzaka's salary couldn't be discounted, then the only appropriate bid to post for him would be $0. (Conversion to yen is an exercise for the reader.) Jered Weaver doesn't make "Meche money" because he's not a free agent. Johan Santana doesn't make "Meche money" because he's not a free agent. Felix Hernandez doesn't make "Meche money" because he's not a free agent. Like all of these pitchers, Matsuzaka is under club control. Unlike all of these pitchers, Matsuzaka has never thrown a pitch in major leage baseball. #11: Boras can say whatever he wants. It’s his job to pump up the contract.

Of course, Matsuzaka has to accept a discount, because he is not a free agent. If Matsuzaka’s salary couldn’t be discounted, then the only appropriate bid to post for him would be $0. (Conversion to yen is an exercise for the reader.)

Jered Weaver doesn’t make “Meche money” because he’s not a free agent.

Johan Santana doesn’t make “Meche money” because he’s not a free agent.

Felix Hernandez doesn’t make “Meche money” because he’s not a free agent.

Like all of these pitchers, Matsuzaka is under club control. Unlike all of these pitchers, Matsuzaka has never thrown a pitch in major leage baseball.

]]> By: Zero Gravitas http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/12/12/pretty-boring-tuesday/comment-page-3/#comment-158551 Zero Gravitas Wed, 13 Dec 2006 19:57:26 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/12/12/pretty-boring-tuesday/#comment-158551 Boras is basically saying the player shouldn't be penalized because the team is paying a posting fee - the player doesn't see a dime of the posting fee. The one comment I read from Epstein was saying in effect, well we do think he's a 100m$ pitcher, which is reflected in the amount we pay in the posting fee (or something like that). If I'm the player's agent, that's not what I want to hear. The Sox should have realized they couldn't offer Matsuzaka a discounted contract just because of the posting fee. It's hilarious that Boras is mentioning Gil Meche's contract today to illustrate his point. Boras is basically saying the player shouldn’t be penalized because the team is paying a posting fee – the player doesn’t see a dime of the posting fee. The one comment I read from Epstein was saying in effect, well we do think he’s a 100m$ pitcher, which is reflected in the amount we pay in the posting fee (or something like that). If I’m the player’s agent, that’s not what I want to hear. The Sox should have realized they couldn’t offer Matsuzaka a discounted contract just because of the posting fee. It’s hilarious that Boras is mentioning Gil Meche’s contract today to illustrate his point.

]]> By: LB http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/12/12/pretty-boring-tuesday/comment-page-3/#comment-158481 LB Wed, 13 Dec 2006 06:40:35 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/12/12/pretty-boring-tuesday/#comment-158481 #64: Look at this from the point of view of the MLBPA: is it in the best interest of its members to have every ballplayer in NPB an unrestricted MLB free agent? #112: It seems that when the rubber finally hits the road, though, some players forget exactly who is working for whom. From ESPN Insider today: <a href="http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=olney_buster#20061212" rel="nofollow">Link</a> <em>A few months after Alex Rodriguez signed his $252 million contract with the Texas Rangers, a deal negotiated by Boras, A-Rod was quoted in a New York newspaper as saying that he had really hoped to sign with the Mets. That seemed utterly bizarre, and a little silly: A-Rod had more negotiating leverage than any player in the history of baseball and yet he wound up playing someplace other than where he wanted to play. He could've played for the Mets – maybe not for $252 million, but maybe for $200 million. The difference between his playing for the Mets or not playing for the Mets was a whole lot of numbers on bank statements. </em> (Excerpt short enough for fair use, I hope.) #64: Look at this from the point of view of the MLBPA: is it in the best interest of its members to have every ballplayer in NPB an unrestricted MLB free agent?

#112: It seems that when the rubber finally hits the road, though, some players forget exactly who is working for whom. From ESPN Insider today: Link

A few months after Alex Rodriguez signed his $252 million contract with the Texas Rangers, a deal negotiated by Boras, A-Rod was quoted in a New York newspaper as saying that he had really hoped to sign with the Mets. That seemed utterly bizarre, and a little silly: A-Rod had more negotiating leverage than any player in the history of baseball and yet he wound up playing someplace other than where he wanted to play. He could’ve played for the Mets – maybe not for $252 million, but maybe for $200 million. The difference between his playing for the Mets or not playing for the Mets was a whole lot of numbers on bank statements. (Excerpt short enough for fair use, I hope.)

]]> By: DMZ http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/12/12/pretty-boring-tuesday/comment-page-3/#comment-158476 DMZ Wed, 13 Dec 2006 06:20:52 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/12/12/pretty-boring-tuesday/#comment-158476 And, we should point out, that does happen: Alex Rodriguez signed two deals with the M's though Boras thought he could get more, all the way to Andruw Jones' last deal with Atlanta. And, we should point out, that does happen: Alex Rodriguez signed two deals with the M’s though Boras thought he could get more, all the way to Andruw Jones’ last deal with Atlanta.

]]> By: gwangung http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/12/12/pretty-boring-tuesday/comment-page-3/#comment-158474 gwangung Wed, 13 Dec 2006 06:09:56 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/12/12/pretty-boring-tuesday/#comment-158474 People keep on looking at Boras from the team's perspective. People have GOT to remember that Boras works for the PLAYER. And there are damn few, if any, players who didn't get close to the maximum they could have gotten. People keep on looking at Boras from the team’s perspective.

People have GOT to remember that Boras works for the PLAYER. And there are damn few, if any, players who didn’t get close to the maximum they could have gotten.

]]> By: DMZ http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/12/12/pretty-boring-tuesday/comment-page-3/#comment-158472 DMZ Wed, 13 Dec 2006 06:05:43 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/12/12/pretty-boring-tuesday/#comment-158472 Zero. Zero.

]]> By: Coach Owens http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/12/12/pretty-boring-tuesday/comment-page-3/#comment-158471 Coach Owens Wed, 13 Dec 2006 05:41:23 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/12/12/pretty-boring-tuesday/#comment-158471 I hate Boras. I wonder how many contracts he has ruined due to him holding out for bigger and bigger money? I hate Boras. I wonder how many contracts he has ruined due to him holding out for bigger and bigger money?

]]> By: msb http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/12/12/pretty-boring-tuesday/comment-page-3/#comment-158470 msb Wed, 13 Dec 2006 05:37:14 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/12/12/pretty-boring-tuesday/#comment-158470 from Rotoworld: "The Red Sox wanted to make sure they're desire to land Matsuzaka is being communicated to the right-hander. However, Boras is insisting that everything be funneled through him, and what's getting through to the player remains a mystery to the team." sounds familiar. from Rotoworld: “The Red Sox wanted to make sure they’re desire to land Matsuzaka is being communicated to the right-hander. However, Boras is insisting that everything be funneled through him, and what’s getting through to the player remains a mystery to the team.”

sounds familiar.

]]> By: Coach Owens http://www.ussmariner.com/2006/12/12/pretty-boring-tuesday/comment-page-3/#comment-158466 Coach Owens Wed, 13 Dec 2006 05:13:35 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/12/12/pretty-boring-tuesday/#comment-158466 Here's a question, do we sign Marcus Giles if we trade Beltre? Here’s a question, do we sign Marcus Giles if we trade Beltre?

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