Comments on: Community Projections: Beltre, Ibanez, and Ichiro http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/02/21/community-projections-beltre-ibanez-and-ichiro/ Seattle Mariners blog and general baseball discussion Fri, 10 Feb 2012 01:19:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: JI http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/02/21/community-projections-beltre-ibanez-and-ichiro/comment-page-1/#comment-164985 JI Thu, 22 Feb 2007 01:49:39 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/02/21/community-projections-beltre-ibanez-and-ichiro/#comment-164985 Wow. Dave and I must think alike-- at least on these three players. Wow. Dave and I must think alike– at least on these three players.

]]> By: Dave http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/02/21/community-projections-beltre-ibanez-and-ichiro/comment-page-1/#comment-164983 Dave Thu, 22 Feb 2007 01:25:07 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/02/21/community-projections-beltre-ibanez-and-ichiro/#comment-164983 There's also the fact that the community is proving so far to be quite bullish on practically the entire offense. It's not just Ichiro - USSM/LL readers have projected improvements from every player we've done except Ibanez, and even his projected decline isn't very steep. There’s also the fact that the community is proving so far to be quite bullish on practically the entire offense. It’s not just Ichiro – USSM/LL readers have projected improvements from every player we’ve done except Ibanez, and even his projected decline isn’t very steep.

]]> By: DMZ http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/02/21/community-projections-beltre-ibanez-and-ichiro/comment-page-1/#comment-164977 DMZ Thu, 22 Feb 2007 00:47:26 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/02/21/community-projections-beltre-ibanez-and-ichiro/#comment-164977 It's entirely possible - and I don't want to speak too much to motivations of the crowd - that people see Ichiro as likely to perform well in a contract year, and there's been some studies to show that players do indeed do better than you'd normally expect in these situations. It’s entirely possible – and I don’t want to speak too much to motivations of the crowd – that people see Ichiro as likely to perform well in a contract year, and there’s been some studies to show that players do indeed do better than you’d normally expect in these situations.

]]> By: Churchill http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/02/21/community-projections-beltre-ibanez-and-ichiro/comment-page-1/#comment-164973 Churchill Thu, 22 Feb 2007 00:38:35 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/02/21/community-projections-beltre-ibanez-and-ichiro/#comment-164973 Boy, all of you liked Ichiro better than I do this year. Too much attention on him about a contract, and he just isn't the player he was four years ago... two years ago even. Boy, all of you liked Ichiro better than I do this year.

Too much attention on him about a contract, and he just isn’t the player he was four years ago… two years ago even.

]]> By: tangotiger http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/02/21/community-projections-beltre-ibanez-and-ichiro/comment-page-1/#comment-164951 tangotiger Wed, 21 Feb 2007 22:06:43 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/02/21/community-projections-beltre-ibanez-and-ichiro/#comment-164951 Fielding stats for Ibanez are at the bottom of this page: http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/I/raul-ibanez.shtml Looks like 127 games as a catcher until 1996, with the bulk in 94-95. 20% of his minor league games were as a catcher. Fielding stats for Ibanez are at the bottom of this page:
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/I/raul-ibanez.shtml

Looks like 127 games as a catcher until 1996, with the bulk in 94-95. 20% of his minor league games were as a catcher.

]]> By: Safeco Hobo http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/02/21/community-projections-beltre-ibanez-and-ichiro/comment-page-1/#comment-164949 Safeco Hobo Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:59:22 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/02/21/community-projections-beltre-ibanez-and-ichiro/#comment-164949 In 92' Raul caught 2 games (in AZ fall league) In 93' he caught 24 games In 94' he caught 37 games In 95' he caught 63 games and In 96' he caught 1 game I have no clue about how much more difficult it is to catch a game as apposed to playing left field or first base or whatever. Obviously, its harder on the body. I also have no clue as to whether catching 127 games in the minors over a period of four years is considered light duty or not? In 92′ Raul caught 2 games (in AZ fall league)
In 93′ he caught 24 games
In 94′ he caught 37 games
In 95′ he caught 63 games and
In 96′ he caught 1 game

I have no clue about how much more difficult it is to catch a game as apposed to playing left field or first base or whatever. Obviously, its harder on the body. I also have no clue as to whether catching 127 games in the minors over a period of four years is considered light duty or not?

]]> By: Ralph Malph http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/02/21/community-projections-beltre-ibanez-and-ichiro/comment-page-1/#comment-164943 Ralph Malph Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:10:30 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/02/21/community-projections-beltre-ibanez-and-ichiro/#comment-164943 I hate to nitpick (actually that's not true), but Ibanez really didn't do that much catching in the minors. He caught parts of 3 seasons (93-94-95) but never caught after 1995, when he was 23. I can't find defensive stats so I don't know how many games he actually caught but he never played more than 95 games in a minor league season up to that point. In the 3 seasons, or partial seasons, that he was listed as a catcher he played a total of 229 games. I suspect he did some DH-ing along with catching back then, so I doubt he caught that many games. These stats are from thebaseballcube; I don't know if there's a better source of minor league stats. He didn't play full time in the Lou years -- 98-99-00 -- but I wouldn't think that has much to do with how he is performing now or how he's likely to age. I hate to nitpick (actually that’s not true), but Ibanez really didn’t do that much catching in the minors.

He caught parts of 3 seasons (93-94-95) but never caught after 1995, when he was 23. I can’t find defensive stats so I don’t know how many games he actually caught but he never played more than 95 games in a minor league season up to that point. In the 3 seasons, or partial seasons, that he was listed as a catcher he played a total of 229 games. I suspect he did some DH-ing along with catching back then, so I doubt he caught that many games. These stats are from thebaseballcube; I don’t know if there’s a better source of minor league stats.

He didn’t play full time in the Lou years — 98-99-00 — but I wouldn’t think that has much to do with how he is performing now or how he’s likely to age.

]]> By: tangotiger http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/02/21/community-projections-beltre-ibanez-and-ichiro/comment-page-1/#comment-164929 tangotiger Wed, 21 Feb 2007 20:10:51 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/02/21/community-projections-beltre-ibanez-and-ichiro/#comment-164929 Manz: http://www.insidethebook.com/ee/index.php/site/comments/run_impact_in_parks/ And post #13 in the above link has the data in one place. You can also see this data http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/S/PK_SEA03.htm Manz: http://www.insidethebook.com/ee/index.php/site/comments/run_impact_in_parks/

And post #13 in the above link has the data in one place.

You can also see this data
http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/S/PK_SEA03.htm

]]> By: Manzanillos Cup http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/02/21/community-projections-beltre-ibanez-and-ichiro/comment-page-1/#comment-164925 Manzanillos Cup Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:50:50 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/02/21/community-projections-beltre-ibanez-and-ichiro/#comment-164925 Is it fair to say that Safeco curbs offense by about 7%? Is it fair to say that Safeco curbs offense by about 7%?

]]> By: DMZ http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/02/21/community-projections-beltre-ibanez-and-ichiro/comment-page-1/#comment-164922 DMZ Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:42:41 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/02/21/community-projections-beltre-ibanez-and-ichiro/#comment-164922 As a GM? Dead last. Except he's not a GM. As a GM? Dead last. Except he’s not a GM.

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