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		<title>By: Gomez</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/04/05/meaningless-stats/comment-page-2/#comment-170461</link>
		<dc:creator>Gomez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 05:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn, I want their jobs :P

Wait, no I don&#039;t!  I value my internal organs and my intelligence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn, I want their jobs <img src='http://www.ussmariner.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Wait, no I don&#8217;t!  I value my internal organs and my intelligence.</p>
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		<title>By: dw</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/04/05/meaningless-stats/comment-page-2/#comment-170458</link>
		<dc:creator>dw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 04:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Donâ€™t these people have jobs? LOL.&lt;/em&gt;

Their job is to drink until their livers give out.

Before 2004, they were romantic, snakebit, lovable drunks. After 2004, they&#039;re just drunks. 

Give me Yankees fans any day over Bosox fans. Yeah, Yanks fans are arrogant and full of themselves, but they&#039;re hardcore fans and decent people.

Last year this drunk Yankees fan gets up and starts swearing at the ump at the top of his lungs in his NY accent. Then he looks down, sees my two year old, and apologizes profusely for using profanity in front of her. (I hadn&#039;t said a thing, he just saw her there.) Then he offers to buy me a beer. We ended up talking for about an hour about baseball.

Meanwhile, every time I go to an M&#039;s-Bosox game it&#039;s the same smell of stale beer and vomit flowing from the most arrogant, priggish drunks on the planet. Yeah, I know it&#039;s the way it used to be (having grown up in Texas League parks), but even then, the drunks generally weren&#039;t all this asinine, or combative. And they&#039;re always really young, like they&#039;re in Seattle on Daddy&#039;s trust fund.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Donâ€™t these people have jobs? LOL.</em></p>
<p>Their job is to drink until their livers give out.</p>
<p>Before 2004, they were romantic, snakebit, lovable drunks. After 2004, they&#8217;re just drunks. </p>
<p>Give me Yankees fans any day over Bosox fans. Yeah, Yanks fans are arrogant and full of themselves, but they&#8217;re hardcore fans and decent people.</p>
<p>Last year this drunk Yankees fan gets up and starts swearing at the ump at the top of his lungs in his NY accent. Then he looks down, sees my two year old, and apologizes profusely for using profanity in front of her. (I hadn&#8217;t said a thing, he just saw her there.) Then he offers to buy me a beer. We ended up talking for about an hour about baseball.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, every time I go to an M&#8217;s-Bosox game it&#8217;s the same smell of stale beer and vomit flowing from the most arrogant, priggish drunks on the planet. Yeah, I know it&#8217;s the way it used to be (having grown up in Texas League parks), but even then, the drunks generally weren&#8217;t all this asinine, or combative. And they&#8217;re always really young, like they&#8217;re in Seattle on Daddy&#8217;s trust fund.</p>
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		<title>By: Oly Rainiers Fan</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/04/05/meaningless-stats/comment-page-2/#comment-170457</link>
		<dc:creator>Oly Rainiers Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 04:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve T:
Yeah, it would change baseball&#039;s landscape/demographic numbers a bit if the Cuban players could be signed.  However, Chavez has been making noises about nationalizing Venezuelan baseball, as the players are often signed for dirt-cheap.  If so, that&#039;d really piss off MLS who has established a LOT of academies there.  And would change that demographic landscape yet again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve T:<br />
Yeah, it would change baseball&#8217;s landscape/demographic numbers a bit if the Cuban players could be signed.  However, Chavez has been making noises about nationalizing Venezuelan baseball, as the players are often signed for dirt-cheap.  If so, that&#8217;d really piss off MLS who has established a LOT of academies there.  And would change that demographic landscape yet again.</p>
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		<title>By: Boss! Boss! LaHair! LaHair!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boss! Boss! LaHair! LaHair!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 04:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Any Red Sox game within 2000 miles of Boston will attract 20,000 Red Sox fans. Roughly half of them will have travelled from Boston.&lt;/em&gt;

The reason, as the other poster enquired, is that it is very difficult and expensive to attend a Red Sox games.  I can see it being cheaper to fly to Seatte to watch the game, especially this year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Any Red Sox game within 2000 miles of Boston will attract 20,000 Red Sox fans. Roughly half of them will have travelled from Boston.</em></p>
<p>The reason, as the other poster enquired, is that it is very difficult and expensive to attend a Red Sox games.  I can see it being cheaper to fly to Seatte to watch the game, especially this year.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/04/05/meaningless-stats/comment-page-2/#comment-170455</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 03:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, I didn&#039;t think the buzzsaw of hype could spin any faster, but after Kaibutsu&#039;s* performance today the Dice-K dynamo may start altering the earth&#039;s magnetic field in the Boston area.  Does everybody realize the frenzied maelstorm the M&#039;s are walking into for Matsusaka&#039;s home debut on the 11th?  And if that wasn&#039;t enough, his first pitch will be to Ichiro.  Red Sox Nation.  The &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/04/05/staying_up_for_dice_k/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;nation of Japan&lt;/a&gt;.  And, bobbing along like a cork in a hurricane, the good ship Mariner.  At least we get to watch on TV.  This is going to be nuts.

(And I hope the M&#039;s light him up like a bag of reservation fireworks)

* &quot;Monster&quot; -- see &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/04/05/this_monster_translates_well/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; (and 333 pitches in one 90 minute bullpen session?  Really?  Yikes.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I didn&#8217;t think the buzzsaw of hype could spin any faster, but after Kaibutsu&#8217;s* performance today the Dice-K dynamo may start altering the earth&#8217;s magnetic field in the Boston area.  Does everybody realize the frenzied maelstorm the M&#8217;s are walking into for Matsusaka&#8217;s home debut on the 11th?  And if that wasn&#8217;t enough, his first pitch will be to Ichiro.  Red Sox Nation.  The <a href="http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/04/05/staying_up_for_dice_k/" rel="nofollow">nation of Japan</a>.  And, bobbing along like a cork in a hurricane, the good ship Mariner.  At least we get to watch on TV.  This is going to be nuts.</p>
<p>(And I hope the M&#8217;s light him up like a bag of reservation fireworks)</p>
<p>* &#8220;Monster&#8221; &#8212; see <a href="http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/04/05/this_monster_translates_well/" rel="nofollow">here</a> (and 333 pitches in one 90 minute bullpen session?  Really?  Yikes.)</p>
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		<title>By: DMZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>DMZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 03:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes! I wrote that up in CGB: 60-something in Anaheim is not at all the same as using something a little tacky in the World Series in Detroit, where it&#039;s cold and nasty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes! I wrote that up in CGB: 60-something in Anaheim is not at all the same as using something a little tacky in the World Series in Detroit, where it&#8217;s cold and nasty.</p>
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		<title>By: LB</title>
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		<dc:creator>LB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 02:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; then Drew, then Ortiz.

You want to make it easier on the opposing team&#039;s bullpen management by sticking consecutive righties in front of consecutive lefties?

Mike Myers does not like facing Manny in between Ortiz and Drew. He&#039;d love to face Drew then Ortiz.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; then Drew, then Ortiz.</p>
<p>You want to make it easier on the opposing team&#8217;s bullpen management by sticking consecutive righties in front of consecutive lefties?</p>
<p>Mike Myers does not like facing Manny in between Ortiz and Drew. He&#8217;d love to face Drew then Ortiz.</p>
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		<title>By: Typical Idiot Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Typical Idiot Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 01:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I don&#039;t think they mentioned the website&#039;s name for several legal reasons.  I mean, it would be referencing your book indirectly and therefore promoting it.  So I&#039;m not surprised about that at all.

But God, what a half&#039;assed reply.  Hearing Gammons say that is hilarious, especially since you reference an article of his where he talks about Tommy John of cheating in the book!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I don&#8217;t think they mentioned the website&#8217;s name for several legal reasons.  I mean, it would be referencing your book indirectly and therefore promoting it.  So I&#8217;m not surprised about that at all.</p>
<p>But God, what a half&#8217;assed reply.  Hearing Gammons say that is hilarious, especially since you reference an article of his where he talks about Tommy John of cheating in the book!</p>
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		<title>By: Thom Jimsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thom Jimsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 01:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, the big story from today&#039;s Royals-Red Sox game:

Zack Greinke is back. I&#039;m really happy for him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, the big story from today&#8217;s Royals-Red Sox game:</p>
<p>Zack Greinke is back. I&#8217;m really happy for him.</p>
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		<title>By: Typical Idiot Fan</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/04/05/meaningless-stats/comment-page-1/#comment-170450</link>
		<dc:creator>Typical Idiot Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 01:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As expected, Sportscenter and Orel was playing it off as something to help grip the ball better and was even claiming that not only do 65% of all pitchers use something like that to help &quot;grip&quot; the ball, but that it HELPS the game better because now errant pitches aren&#039;t dinging off people&#039;s domes.

Y&#039;know... this is the kind of half assed shit I expect from ESPN.  The weather wasn&#039;t cold, pitchers without control do not make it to the big leagues, bean balls are not as common as they were 30 years ago, and the rosin bag is there to help grip.  Anything else that you have on your body / hat to help doctor the ball is cheating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As expected, Sportscenter and Orel was playing it off as something to help grip the ball better and was even claiming that not only do 65% of all pitchers use something like that to help &#8220;grip&#8221; the ball, but that it HELPS the game better because now errant pitches aren&#8217;t dinging off people&#8217;s domes.</p>
<p>Y&#8217;know&#8230; this is the kind of half assed shit I expect from ESPN.  The weather wasn&#8217;t cold, pitchers without control do not make it to the big leagues, bean balls are not as common as they were 30 years ago, and the rosin bag is there to help grip.  Anything else that you have on your body / hat to help doctor the ball is cheating.</p>
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