Comments on: Future Forty Updated http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/04/09/future-forty-updated-2/ Seattle Mariners blog and general baseball discussion Thu, 09 Feb 2012 23:35:08 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: kellerw http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/04/09/future-forty-updated-2/comment-page-2/#comment-171494 kellerw Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:39:53 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/04/09/future-forty-updated-2/#comment-171494 Dave, Thanks for more excellent work. I'll probably do more Aquasox games than the bigs this year. Anybody you think I should take a special look at other than Mario Martinez,Doug Salinas and Carlos Peguero? Dave,
Thanks for more excellent work.
I’ll probably do more Aquasox games than the bigs this year. Anybody you think I should take a special look at other than Mario Martinez,Doug Salinas and Carlos Peguero?

]]> By: Dave http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/04/09/future-forty-updated-2/comment-page-2/#comment-171462 Dave Wed, 11 Apr 2007 01:44:11 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/04/09/future-forty-updated-2/#comment-171462 It's not that uncommon for college guys to see their velocity drop once they get to the pro ranks. In college, you're throwing once a week against maybe one or two professional level hitters. In the minors, you're throwing every four days and you have to pace yourself to get through a line-up where most of the guys can hit a fastball. We shouldn't hold out a lot of hope that Fister is going to add a couple MPH to his fastball. He's probably going to have to learn to pitch in the 86-90 range and use his offspeed stuff and command to succeed. It’s not that uncommon for college guys to see their velocity drop once they get to the pro ranks. In college, you’re throwing once a week against maybe one or two professional level hitters. In the minors, you’re throwing every four days and you have to pace yourself to get through a line-up where most of the guys can hit a fastball.

We shouldn’t hold out a lot of hope that Fister is going to add a couple MPH to his fastball. He’s probably going to have to learn to pitch in the 86-90 range and use his offspeed stuff and command to succeed.

]]> By: Frozenropers http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/04/09/future-forty-updated-2/comment-page-2/#comment-171211 Frozenropers Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:25:49 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/04/09/future-forty-updated-2/#comment-171211 Thanks for the response Dave. One more quick question on Fister. It sounds like he had better "stuff" (maybe a few more mph on fastball/ better bite on slider) during his 2005 college season, then in 2006 he lost some of his zip and bite. Anyone in the org know what caused the drop in "stuff" in 2006 and was it something that could be fixed and him show a slight jump back to his 2005 ability? Thanks for the response Dave. One more quick question on Fister.

It sounds like he had better “stuff” (maybe a few more mph on fastball/ better bite on slider) during his 2005 college season, then in 2006 he lost some of his zip and bite.

Anyone in the org know what caused the drop in “stuff” in 2006 and was it something that could be fixed and him show a slight jump back to his 2005 ability?

]]> By: gwangung http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/04/09/future-forty-updated-2/comment-page-2/#comment-171169 gwangung Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:06:57 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/04/09/future-forty-updated-2/#comment-171169 <blockquote>He’s 3-20 with a hr and two walks…</blockquote> Given the small sample size...how are his outs? Solid line drives? Or weak tappers? 17 flyouts to deep center field mean something different than 17 dribblers to 3rd base. At least, it would to me....

He’s 3-20 with a hr and two walks…

Given the small sample size…how are his outs? Solid line drives? Or weak tappers? 17 flyouts to deep center field mean something different than 17 dribblers to 3rd base. At least, it would to me….

]]> By: Dave http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/04/09/future-forty-updated-2/comment-page-2/#comment-171164 Dave Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:52:39 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/04/09/future-forty-updated-2/#comment-171164 <em>What exactly determines whether someone should be a Projected Regular or a Projected Contributor? I only ask because the Projected Regulars all have a Reward of 7 (except Justin Thomas at 6) but some of hte Projected Contributors (only on the “several years away” list) have 7s as well. Is that only because they’re on the “several years away” list and still have some potential to expand beyond or will those players, especially the pitchers, pretty much only be bullpen guys?</em> There are some thin lines in places, simply because we have to draw disctinctions somewhere, and there will be guys at the top of one tier that are pretty close to the guys at the bottom of another. It's just part of the deal. Generally, a regular is a guy who can be a rotation member or everyday player, while a contributor is a reliever or a bench player. <em>What are the chances that most of these guys will still be in Wisconsin on June 2ndish? I’m going to be in the area on that date, and might catch a a game if possible.</em> Most of them will still be there. Triunfel, Butler, and Tillman aren't going anywhere this year. Liddi or Lo might get promoted if they're tearing the cover off the ball, but I'd bet on most of them staying in Wisconsin for the majority of the year. <em>Quick question. I know the guy’s name came up a bit in discussions last season regarding the Everett roster…….what’s the current scoop on Douglas Fister? The org jumped him all the way to West Tenn (AA) and he had a solid first outing of the season.</em> He's tall and has good command, but his stuff is below average. He's not an organizational type yet, but he's a fringey prospect. He can probably succeed in Double-A even with his current repertoire, but to make the leap to the majors, he needs to develop his secondary stuff a bit more. <em>He’s 3-20 with a hr and two walks…still can’t throw at all or receive. He doesn’t have very many supporters among the coaches in Seattle…as a catcher. </em> He's ripping the ball right at people. His defense is fine, and most of the coaches on the staff are Clement supporters. We know you hate this team, Terry, so why don't you just go root for someone else? What exactly determines whether someone should be a Projected Regular or a Projected Contributor? I only ask because the Projected Regulars all have a Reward of 7 (except Justin Thomas at 6) but some of hte Projected Contributors (only on the “several years away” list) have 7s as well. Is that only because they’re on the “several years away” list and still have some potential to expand beyond or will those players, especially the pitchers, pretty much only be bullpen guys?

There are some thin lines in places, simply because we have to draw disctinctions somewhere, and there will be guys at the top of one tier that are pretty close to the guys at the bottom of another. It’s just part of the deal. Generally, a regular is a guy who can be a rotation member or everyday player, while a contributor is a reliever or a bench player.

What are the chances that most of these guys will still be in Wisconsin on June 2ndish? I’m going to be in the area on that date, and might catch a a game if possible.

Most of them will still be there. Triunfel, Butler, and Tillman aren’t going anywhere this year. Liddi or Lo might get promoted if they’re tearing the cover off the ball, but I’d bet on most of them staying in Wisconsin for the majority of the year.

Quick question. I know the guy’s name came up a bit in discussions last season regarding the Everett roster…….what’s the current scoop on Douglas Fister? The org jumped him all the way to West Tenn (AA) and he had a solid first outing of the season.

He’s tall and has good command, but his stuff is below average. He’s not an organizational type yet, but he’s a fringey prospect. He can probably succeed in Double-A even with his current repertoire, but to make the leap to the majors, he needs to develop his secondary stuff a bit more.

He’s 3-20 with a hr and two walks…still can’t throw at all or receive. He doesn’t have very many supporters among the coaches in Seattle…as a catcher.

He’s ripping the ball right at people. His defense is fine, and most of the coaches on the staff are Clement supporters. We know you hate this team, Terry, so why don’t you just go root for someone else?

]]> By: PositivePaul http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/04/09/future-forty-updated-2/comment-page-2/#comment-171163 PositivePaul Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:52:00 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/04/09/future-forty-updated-2/#comment-171163 <em>I was taking a look at that link Paul had up for the old Future Forty and I was surprised how bad it looked. </em> Yeah. So anyone who forgets how completely horribly Gillick botched the farm system -- let that serve as a reminder. I was taking a look at that link Paul had up for the old Future Forty and I was surprised how bad it looked.

Yeah. So anyone who forgets how completely horribly Gillick botched the farm system — let that serve as a reminder.

]]> By: terrybenish http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/04/09/future-forty-updated-2/comment-page-2/#comment-171161 terrybenish Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:35:00 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/04/09/future-forty-updated-2/#comment-171161 "Potentially. Early reports on Clement out of Tacoma have been very encouraging..." He's 3-20 with a hr and two walks...still can't throw at all or receive. He doesn't have very many supporters among the coaches in Seattle...as a catcher. “Potentially. Early reports on Clement out of Tacoma have been very encouraging…”

He’s 3-20 with a hr and two walks…still can’t throw at all or receive.

He doesn’t have very many supporters among the coaches in Seattle…as a catcher.

]]> By: Frozenropers http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/04/09/future-forty-updated-2/comment-page-2/#comment-171158 Frozenropers Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:20:33 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/04/09/future-forty-updated-2/#comment-171158 Dave, Quick question. I know the guy's name came up a bit in discussions last season regarding the Everett roster.......what's the current scoop on Douglas Fister? The org jumped him all the way to West Tenn (AA) and he had a solid first outing of the season. 5 Inn 2 hits 1 ER 1 R 2 BB 5 K's Is he still an Org type or does he have the chance to take a big step up this season? Thanks in advance. Dave,

Quick question. I know the guy’s name came up a bit in discussions last season regarding the Everett roster…….what’s the current scoop on Douglas Fister? The org jumped him all the way to West Tenn (AA) and he had a solid first outing of the season.

5 Inn
2 hits
1 ER
1 R
2 BB
5 K’s

Is he still an Org type or does he have the chance to take a big step up this season?

Thanks in advance.

]]> By: lantermanc http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/04/09/future-forty-updated-2/comment-page-2/#comment-171154 lantermanc Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:10:34 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/04/09/future-forty-updated-2/#comment-171154 What are the chances that most of these guys will still be in Wisconsin on June 2ndish? I'm going to be in the area on that date, and might catch a a game if possible. What are the chances that most of these guys will still be in Wisconsin on June 2ndish? I’m going to be in the area on that date, and might catch a a game if possible.

]]> By: Typical Idiot Fan http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/04/09/future-forty-updated-2/comment-page-2/#comment-171134 Typical Idiot Fan Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:08:56 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/04/09/future-forty-updated-2/#comment-171134 Heh, the Mariners aren't the only ones having problems with the snow. The Wisconsin T-Rats haven't played at all since that first game. Triunfel apparently hurt himself in that first game landing awkwardly after throwing / fielding a ball, but it didn't seem to be serious. People were very excited about Triunfel before he was signed by the Mariners, so it's no surprise whatsoever that people are excited about him now. Hell, I'm jazzed just thinking about having a top notch position player prospect again. Other Future 40 questions: What exactly determines whether someone should be a Projected Regular or a Projected Contributor? I only ask because the Projected Regulars all have a Reward of 7 (except Justin Thomas at 6) but some of hte Projected Contributors (only on the "several years away" list) have 7s as well. Is that only because they're on the "several years away" list and still have some potential to expand beyond or will those players, especially the pitchers, pretty much only be bullpen guys? Heh, the Mariners aren’t the only ones having problems with the snow. The Wisconsin T-Rats haven’t played at all since that first game. Triunfel apparently hurt himself in that first game landing awkwardly after throwing / fielding a ball, but it didn’t seem to be serious. People were very excited about Triunfel before he was signed by the Mariners, so it’s no surprise whatsoever that people are excited about him now. Hell, I’m jazzed just thinking about having a top notch position player prospect again.

Other Future 40 questions:

What exactly determines whether someone should be a Projected Regular or a Projected Contributor? I only ask because the Projected Regulars all have a Reward of 7 (except Justin Thomas at 6) but some of hte Projected Contributors (only on the “several years away” list) have 7s as well. Is that only because they’re on the “several years away” list and still have some potential to expand beyond or will those players, especially the pitchers, pretty much only be bullpen guys?

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