Comments on: Maybe try a four seamer? http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/04/18/maybe-try-a-four-seamer/ Seattle Mariners blog and general baseball discussion Fri, 10 Feb 2012 01:19:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: _David_ http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/04/18/maybe-try-a-four-seamer/comment-page-2/#comment-174081 _David_ Thu, 19 Apr 2007 01:29:20 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/04/18/maybe-try-a-four-seamer/#comment-174081 That's on par with the Snelling trade in terms of stupidity. Lieber is better than Eaton. Eaton should go to the pen. A rotation of Hamels, Myers, Garcia, Moyer and Lieber would've been pretty sweet. That’s on par with the Snelling trade in terms of stupidity. Lieber is better than Eaton. Eaton should go to the pen. A rotation of Hamels, Myers, Garcia, Moyer and Lieber would’ve been pretty sweet.

]]> By: Dylan http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/04/18/maybe-try-a-four-seamer/comment-page-2/#comment-174076 Dylan Thu, 19 Apr 2007 01:23:51 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/04/18/maybe-try-a-four-seamer/#comment-174076 Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's over on Rotoworld.com which tends to be a fairly good source of information. Not 100%, but up there. Yeah, that’s what I’m saying. It’s over on Rotoworld.com which tends to be a fairly good source of information. Not 100%, but up there.

]]> By: PositivePaul http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/04/18/maybe-try-a-four-seamer/comment-page-2/#comment-174060 PositivePaul Thu, 19 Apr 2007 00:47:03 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/04/18/maybe-try-a-four-seamer/#comment-174060 <i>The Phillies are moving Brett Myers to the pen to make room for John Lieber in the rotation…Why not buy low on Myers if the Phillies would be willing to trade him?</i> Seriously? Wow. I'd rather have Myers in the rotation than Lieber. And, yes, I'd rather have Myers than 4/5ths of the M's rotation, too. Even if he is a 'jerk'... The Phillies are moving Brett Myers to the pen to make room for John Lieber in the rotation…Why not buy low on Myers if the Phillies would be willing to trade him?

Seriously? Wow. I’d rather have Myers in the rotation than Lieber.

And, yes, I’d rather have Myers than 4/5ths of the M’s rotation, too. Even if he is a ‘jerk’…

]]> By: Trev http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/04/18/maybe-try-a-four-seamer/comment-page-2/#comment-174057 Trev Thu, 19 Apr 2007 00:38:45 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/04/18/maybe-try-a-four-seamer/#comment-174057 For the record, Weaver has always identified himself as a two-seamer/sinker pitcher. The quote in his entry for <em>The Neyer/James Guide to Pitchers</em> (I don't have it in front of me), is a quote from a NYT article right after he gave up a HR in the 2003 WS. To paraphase: "You have to throw your best pitch in a tough situation. My best pitch is my sinker. He just hit it out of the park." For the record, Weaver has always identified himself as a two-seamer/sinker pitcher. The quote in his entry for The Neyer/James Guide to Pitchers (I don’t have it in front of me), is a quote from a NYT article right after he gave up a HR in the 2003 WS. To paraphase: “You have to throw your best pitch in a tough situation. My best pitch is my sinker. He just hit it out of the park.”

]]> By: Dylan http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/04/18/maybe-try-a-four-seamer/comment-page-2/#comment-174055 Dylan Thu, 19 Apr 2007 00:38:14 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/04/18/maybe-try-a-four-seamer/#comment-174055 To replace Weaver. On-topic... To replace Weaver. On-topic…

]]> By: Dylan http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/04/18/maybe-try-a-four-seamer/comment-page-2/#comment-174054 Dylan Thu, 19 Apr 2007 00:37:48 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/04/18/maybe-try-a-four-seamer/#comment-174054 The Phillies are moving Brett Myers to the pen to make room for John Lieber in the rotation...Why not buy low on Myers if the Phillies would be willing to trade him? The Phillies are moving Brett Myers to the pen to make room for John Lieber in the rotation…Why not buy low on Myers if the Phillies would be willing to trade him?

]]> By: Karen http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/04/18/maybe-try-a-four-seamer/comment-page-2/#comment-174047 Karen Thu, 19 Apr 2007 00:33:05 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/04/18/maybe-try-a-four-seamer/#comment-174047 Dave, in the topic intro: <em>"To read the postgame comments of the Mariners after another miserable outing from Jeff Weaver last night, the guy is the second coming of Derek Lowe."</em> and reading (with some amusement :)) Mariner Fan in CO Exile's comment, <em>"...I wouldn't mind playing poker with the way [Weaver] reacts to events, though."</em> Actually, Derek Lowe ain't all that bad nowadays, Dave...but when he WAS going bad in the years he pitched for the Red Sox, I remember Red Sox fans used to joke about seeing "the Derek Lowe Face", a kinda squinched up expression that said to everyone in the ballpark that he wasn't a happy camper. I saw that bite-into-a-sour-lemon expression on Weaver's face the whole time he was out there on the mound last night. Dave, in the topic intro: “To read the postgame comments of the Mariners after another miserable outing from Jeff Weaver last night, the guy is the second coming of Derek Lowe.”

and reading (with some amusement :) ) Mariner Fan in CO Exile’s comment, “…I wouldn’t mind playing poker with the way [Weaver] reacts to events, though.”

Actually, Derek Lowe ain’t all that bad nowadays, Dave…but when he WAS going bad in the years he pitched for the Red Sox, I remember Red Sox fans used to joke about seeing “the Derek Lowe Face”, a kinda squinched up expression that said to everyone in the ballpark that he wasn’t a happy camper.

I saw that bite-into-a-sour-lemon expression on Weaver’s face the whole time he was out there on the mound last night.

]]> By: David Jones http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/04/18/maybe-try-a-four-seamer/comment-page-2/#comment-174038 David Jones Thu, 19 Apr 2007 00:22:45 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/04/18/maybe-try-a-four-seamer/#comment-174038 First inning, me to my dad in our seats in section 121: "Hmm, Weaver hasn't even hit 90 on the gun yet, that's probably a bad sign". Next pitch: 90 MPH fastball, result is a double in the RF gap. My dad: "Guess he heard you." It was a loooong few innings last night. First inning, me to my dad in our seats in section 121: “Hmm, Weaver hasn’t even hit 90 on the gun yet, that’s probably a bad sign”.

Next pitch: 90 MPH fastball, result is a double in the RF gap.

My dad: “Guess he heard you.”

It was a loooong few innings last night.

]]> By: No Rhubarb http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/04/18/maybe-try-a-four-seamer/comment-page-2/#comment-174037 No Rhubarb Thu, 19 Apr 2007 00:22:01 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/04/18/maybe-try-a-four-seamer/#comment-174037 <em>Gameday isn’t using a radar gun at all - they’re using high speed cameras to track the motion of the ball, and mathmatic algorithms to calculate velocity based on distance and time. </em> I don't know how well that works, but it sure sounds impressive. Gameday isn’t using a radar gun at all – they’re using high speed cameras to track the motion of the ball, and mathmatic algorithms to calculate velocity based on distance and time.


I don’t know how well that works, but it sure sounds impressive.

]]> By: loki http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/04/18/maybe-try-a-four-seamer/comment-page-2/#comment-174029 loki Thu, 19 Apr 2007 00:03:26 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/04/18/maybe-try-a-four-seamer/#comment-174029 Sounds like your typical apples to oranges comparison too. If the Gameday data is more accurate, but you've been using the less accurate data for years now, you'll probably want to continue to use the same data source for comparison purposes. Sounds like your typical apples to oranges comparison too.

If the Gameday data is more accurate, but you’ve been using the less accurate data for years now, you’ll probably want to continue to use the same data source for comparison purposes.

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