82games.com is excellent, but the overall best site for application of sabrmetric principles to basketball is the “apbrmetrics” site at
http://www.sonicscentral.com/apbrmetrics/

SonicsCentral.com is also the best overall Sonics’ site, but ironically, the group there is not all that strong on statistics.

And yes, “apbrmetrics” is an appallingly ugly word as well as a ripoff of “sabrmetrics”.

Dave, thanks for that post. From someone reading more than posting AuburnM has sparked a ton of interesting discussions; its those voices that force everyone to justify why Vidro hitting third makes us angry. Not saying I agree with the opinions but I’m glad someone’s providing the contrast.

After an entire season would Washburn have better era with situation A or B taking place over and over again?
This is extreme but it is my feable attempt to explain this to you.

And who do you have in your mind when saying that?

Participants need to agree on the rule of the game if differences in opinion are to be all good and productive. The USSM guys do not expect readers to think the same opinion, but they sure expect us to think in the same mode of analysis as theirs, i.e., (at least make efforts to) backed up your argument and conclusion with information, reason and logical thinking.

Auburn hasn’t met this expectation, at least so far. But it’s up to the USSM crew what to do with him.

If you go read through the archives of the usenet group alt.sport.baseball.sea-mariners for posts by “Rick Cameron” or “Richard Cameron”, you’ll find a pretty close minded guy who had no interest in learning from those who knew more about baseball than he did. In fact, here’s a pretty good example.

Ok, now this just got me. I apologize again THIS WILL BE MY LAST POST
ON THE SUBJECT OF THIS STAT.

To say that Alomar has no range, Umm, are we thinking of the same
Roberto Alomar? You know THE BEST DEFENSIVE 2Bman in the game. Ask
anyone, experts, players, owners, gm’s, anyone! That is why he is
going to get a huge contract as a free agent this year.

By the way, you said this stage in his career, how old do you think he
is? He is 27 or 28! I dont consider this to be old!

That was me about 13 or 14 years ago. I’m glad people didn’t throw me out on my ear as a troll then.

I don’t want this to be a place where we all agree, either. I want people to challenge me on stuff – I just want them to do so with some substance. I think there’s a legitimate counter-argument to be made for a lot of the stuff I say. My patience just runs thin with people who don’t want to take the time to back up their opinions with any kind of evidence, logic, or reason.

If anyone wants to come in and have a conversation about why I’m wrong about the predictive value of FIP, and doesn’t bother to stoop to the normal “you hate the Mariners” crap, I’m more than happy to have that conversation.

I’m proud of the fact that USSM has served to help a lot of people understand the game a lot better, and I want it to continue to do so. I just would prefer to have a higher level of discourse than “you’re biased, you’re a Bavasi hater”.

I understand the idea of killing him with kindness, but even then I find this pretty over-the-top.

Auburn has showed us time again that he is pretty closed off from accepting any new ideas or even recognizing the opinions of others.

Because a 4.5 ERA can define a quality start, that doesn’t make a starter with an ERA of 4.5 a quality pitcher, or better yet, not a pitcher you fork over nearly $40M and say is your #2 pitcher.