Comments on: So, What Did I Miss? http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/06/25/so-what-did-i-miss/ Seattle Mariners blog and general baseball discussion Thu, 09 Feb 2012 17:41:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: colm http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/06/25/so-what-did-i-miss/comment-page-3/#comment-199928 colm Tue, 26 Jun 2007 04:42:41 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/06/25/so-what-did-i-miss/#comment-199928 I see the same thing. Ichiro below major league average for isolated power (which means what we all know for the evidence of our own eyes: Ichiro hits a tonne of singles) but he's consistent. Vidro flirted with better than average power briefly, early this season, but is now well below Ichiro, right in line with Juan Pierre, and a bit ahead of Luis Castillo. And he's our DH. I see the same thing.

Ichiro below major league average for isolated power (which means what we all know for the evidence of our own eyes: Ichiro hits a tonne of singles) but he’s consistent.

Vidro flirted with better than average power briefly, early this season, but is now well below Ichiro, right in line with Juan Pierre, and a bit ahead of Luis Castillo. And he’s our DH.

]]> By: Colorado Mariner Fan http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/06/25/so-what-did-i-miss/comment-page-3/#comment-199927 Colorado Mariner Fan Tue, 26 Jun 2007 04:28:12 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/06/25/so-what-did-i-miss/#comment-199927 Cgmonk - are you sure you're reading that chart correctly? Ichiro pretty much hangs right around .100 year-in and year-out - which is fine given his job as a leadoff hitter and other plusses. Vidro used to have decent ISO, but the last several years it looks like a ski slope. The trend since 2004 is pretty bad. Thus far in 2007 it's .070(!). If Vidro was a leadoff/.400 OBP guy with speed, then maybe. But as a middle-of-the-order hitter with a no speed... Cgmonk – are you sure you’re reading that chart correctly? Ichiro pretty much hangs right around .100 year-in and year-out – which is fine given his job as a leadoff hitter and other plusses. Vidro used to have decent ISO, but the last several years it looks like a ski slope. The trend since 2004 is pretty bad. Thus far in 2007 it’s .070(!). If Vidro was a leadoff/.400 OBP guy with speed, then maybe. But as a middle-of-the-order hitter with a no speed…

]]> By: planB http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/06/25/so-what-did-i-miss/comment-page-3/#comment-199926 planB Tue, 26 Jun 2007 04:24:08 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/06/25/so-what-did-i-miss/#comment-199926 Ichiro is not the DH. And I hear he has a glove. Ichiro is not the DH. And I hear he has a glove.

]]> By: DKCecil http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/06/25/so-what-did-i-miss/comment-page-3/#comment-199925 DKCecil Tue, 26 Jun 2007 04:19:55 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/06/25/so-what-did-i-miss/#comment-199925 I asked in the other topic, but it was right before this topic was made, so it never got answered. I’m interested if anyone here knows if anything has changed with Yorman Bazardo since he was traded to the Tigers. He’s pitched quite well for Toledo and even got called up for a little while. Has any of his velocity returned, or has nothing changed from when he was dealt and he’s not still worth lamenting over? I asked in the other topic, but it was right before this topic was made, so it never got answered.

I’m interested if anyone here knows if anything has changed with Yorman Bazardo since he was traded to the Tigers. He’s pitched quite well for Toledo and even got called up for a little while. Has any of his velocity returned, or has nothing changed from when he was dealt and he’s not still worth lamenting over?

]]> By: colm http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/06/25/so-what-did-i-miss/comment-page-3/#comment-199924 colm Tue, 26 Jun 2007 04:09:39 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/06/25/so-what-did-i-miss/#comment-199924 Isolated slugging. But Vidro's not going to hitg 350-whatever or get on base more than 40 percent of the time. I think Dave Cameron pointed out a while back that while Vidro is hitting for a much higher average than Everett last year, he doesn't walk much, and he has a lot less power. Their OPS scores are pretty much a push. He's not Mendoza; he's not a Spez-Aurel-irillo sized bust, but he's about as bad as Crazy Carl. Isolated slugging. But Vidro’s not going to hitg 350-whatever or get on base more than 40 percent of the time.

I think Dave Cameron pointed out a while back that while Vidro is hitting for a much higher average than Everett last year, he doesn’t walk much, and he has a lot less power. Their OPS scores are pretty much a push.

He’s not Mendoza; he’s not a Spez-Aurel-irillo sized bust, but he’s about as bad as Crazy Carl.

]]> By: Sammy http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/06/25/so-what-did-i-miss/comment-page-3/#comment-199923 Sammy Tue, 26 Jun 2007 04:07:56 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/06/25/so-what-did-i-miss/#comment-199923 Joser, John McGrath is a columnist for the Tacoma News Tribune, and he used to be a good journalist in the mid-90's. Don't know when, but apparently he's gotten lazy and has written an annual column calling to trade Ichiro (lack of leadership) for the better part of the decade. Joser,
John McGrath is a columnist for the Tacoma News Tribune, and he used to be a good journalist in the mid-90′s. Don’t know when, but apparently he’s gotten lazy and has written an annual column calling to trade Ichiro (lack of leadership) for the better part of the decade.

]]> By: cgmonk http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/06/25/so-what-did-i-miss/comment-page-3/#comment-199922 cgmonk Tue, 26 Jun 2007 04:03:54 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/06/25/so-what-did-i-miss/#comment-199922 @joser I have no idea what ISO is, but it seems Vidro's doing just as good as Ichiro is: http://www.fangraphs.com/graphs.aspx?playerid=1101&position=OF&page=6&type=full @joser

I have no idea what ISO is, but it seems Vidro’s doing just as good as Ichiro is:

http://www.fangraphs.com/graphs.aspx?playerid=1101&position=OF&page=6&type=full

]]> By: joser http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/06/25/so-what-did-i-miss/comment-page-3/#comment-199921 joser Tue, 26 Jun 2007 03:29:06 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/06/25/so-what-did-i-miss/#comment-199921 <i>What is the rationale for keeping Vidro in the everyday lineup, let alone batting him third? I have to admit I thought Vidro would be much better than he’s been, but it seems the skillset that made him a productive player earlier in his career has diminished siginificantly.</i> All you have to do is look at <a href="http://www.fangraphs.com/graphs.aspx?playerid=802&position=DH&page=6&type=full" rel="nofollow">this trend</a> to see everything you need to know about Vidro. That would be fine for <a href="http://www.fangraphs.com/comparison.aspx?playerid=802&playerid2=411&playerid3=&position=DH&page=6&type=full" rel="nofollow">aging defensive specialist</a> or <a href="http://www.fangraphs.com/comparison.aspx?playerid=802&playerid2=1572&playerid3=&position=DH&page=6&type=full" rel="nofollow">slap hitting leadoff man</a>, but for a guy whose entire job is to hit in the middle of the order, it's rather pathetic. How Bavasi looked that that trendline and said "<i>There</i>'s our next Designated Hitter!" I'll never know. <i>I hate to think of John Mcgrath as the voice of reason, but hie is currently informing Ian Furness that a) Adam Jones is ready, b) he is cheaper & would in theory then give you money for pitching, c) the team is a marginal team at best and does Griffey put you over the top, and d) you can go to the bus station and find someone more productive than Vidro rather than spend the money on a DH</i> I don't know who either of those guys are, but I'm guessing they're on talk radio. And that's good, because it means the word is getting out beyond the USSM echo chamber. Though given how much talk radio likes to spread controversy just to keep their ratings going, this may be less the result of clear thinking than just the desire to be contrary. What is the rationale for keeping Vidro in the everyday lineup, let alone batting him third? I have to admit I thought Vidro would be much better than he’s been, but it seems the skillset that made him a productive player earlier in his career has diminished siginificantly.

All you have to do is look at this trend to see everything you need to know about Vidro. That would be fine for aging defensive specialist or slap hitting leadoff man, but for a guy whose entire job is to hit in the middle of the order, it’s rather pathetic. How Bavasi looked that that trendline and said “There‘s our next Designated Hitter!” I’ll never know.

I hate to think of John Mcgrath as the voice of reason, but hie is currently informing Ian Furness that a) Adam Jones is ready, b) he is cheaper & would in theory then give you money for pitching, c) the team is a marginal team at best and does Griffey put you over the top, and d) you can go to the bus station and find someone more productive than Vidro rather than spend the money on a DH

I don’t know who either of those guys are, but I’m guessing they’re on talk radio. And that’s good, because it means the word is getting out beyond the USSM echo chamber. Though given how much talk radio likes to spread controversy just to keep their ratings going, this may be less the result of clear thinking than just the desire to be contrary.

]]> By: gwangung http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/06/25/so-what-did-i-miss/comment-page-3/#comment-199920 gwangung Tue, 26 Jun 2007 03:19:29 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/06/25/so-what-did-i-miss/#comment-199920 <blockquote> This doesn’t mean I don’t think he sucks, or needs to be demoted. Just that it’s not as obvious as it was with the guys you’re comparing him to. </blockquote> Well, that's the problem with this organization. It has to be blindingly obvious for them to make a move (and I'm not talking about Bavasi; I'm talking about folks other than him). Vidro really sucks, but it's not patently obvious to a casual fan. (Hm. Guess I'm saying that this group of fools are no more observant than the casual fan...)

This doesn’t mean I don’t think he sucks, or needs to be demoted. Just that it’s not as obvious as it was with the guys you’re comparing him to.

Well, that’s the problem with this organization. It has to be blindingly obvious for them to make a move (and I’m not talking about Bavasi; I’m talking about folks other than him). Vidro really sucks, but it’s not patently obvious to a casual fan. (Hm. Guess I’m saying that this group of fools are no more observant than the casual fan…)

]]> By: Dan W http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/06/25/so-what-did-i-miss/comment-page-3/#comment-199919 Dan W Tue, 26 Jun 2007 02:09:55 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/06/25/so-what-did-i-miss/#comment-199919 Hey - Vidro adds value by getting Ichiro to steal more! Hey – Vidro adds value by getting Ichiro to steal more!

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