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	<title>Comments on: Mark Buehrle</title>
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		<title>By: Bearman</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/07/02/mark-buehrle/comment-page-4/#comment-203799</link>
		<dc:creator>Bearman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 03:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frankly I can see a possible Buehrle deal however I would have to insist that the FO must have the 72 hour to sign to extension or void clause. 

Otherwise I just don&#039;t see it getting done where the M&#039;s actually benefit from it long term and for the prospects it will take to get Buehrle the M&#039;s have to protect themseleves.

I can only see prospect deals being done to shore up the farm and to make 40 man roster room for players at AAA who aren&#039;t on it but can help.

If a trade for Buehrle under the above structure ISN&#039;T workable I say concentrate on getting Ichiro&#039;s name on a extension as well as Felix&#039;s.

However the M&#039;s must make a push for Zambrano in the off season and make room for Jones as fulol time starter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frankly I can see a possible Buehrle deal however I would have to insist that the FO must have the 72 hour to sign to extension or void clause. </p>
<p>Otherwise I just don&#8217;t see it getting done where the M&#8217;s actually benefit from it long term and for the prospects it will take to get Buehrle the M&#8217;s have to protect themseleves.</p>
<p>I can only see prospect deals being done to shore up the farm and to make 40 man roster room for players at AAA who aren&#8217;t on it but can help.</p>
<p>If a trade for Buehrle under the above structure ISN&#8217;T workable I say concentrate on getting Ichiro&#8217;s name on a extension as well as Felix&#8217;s.</p>
<p>However the M&#8217;s must make a push for Zambrano in the off season and make room for Jones as fulol time starter.</p>
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		<title>By: natebracy</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/07/02/mark-buehrle/comment-page-4/#comment-203424</link>
		<dc:creator>natebracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 00:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hypothetical question:

Assuming we don&#039;t get Buehrle, for whatever reason, how likely do you think it is that the M&#039;s make another move to show they&#039;re trying?

Follow-up:
What&#039;s the maximum damage you foresee them being able to do?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hypothetical question:</p>
<p>Assuming we don&#8217;t get Buehrle, for whatever reason, how likely do you think it is that the M&#8217;s make another move to show they&#8217;re trying?</p>
<p>Follow-up:<br />
What&#8217;s the maximum damage you foresee them being able to do?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/07/02/mark-buehrle/comment-page-4/#comment-203410</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 23:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never said I was throwing in the towel.  Read the post again - it clearly says that the team has 19 games (from that point) to find out if they are buyers or sellers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never said I was throwing in the towel.  Read the post again &#8211; it clearly says that the team has 19 games (from that point) to find out if they are buyers or sellers.</p>
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		<title>By: claskowski</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/07/02/mark-buehrle/comment-page-4/#comment-203408</link>
		<dc:creator>claskowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 23:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is a bit late - i just got the link to this and signed up to comment.  but in the one of posts that you link to here - the one about compensatory picks - you state that you are ready to throw in the towel.  now you are talking about trading prospects for a stopgap?  and admonishing people who doubt whether the team is playing over its head?  i don&#039;t get that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is a bit late &#8211; i just got the link to this and signed up to comment.  but in the one of posts that you link to here &#8211; the one about compensatory picks &#8211; you state that you are ready to throw in the towel.  now you are talking about trading prospects for a stopgap?  and admonishing people who doubt whether the team is playing over its head?  i don&#8217;t get that.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/07/02/mark-buehrle/comment-page-4/#comment-203307</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 16:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think he&#039;s going to get traded, I don&#039;t think he&#039;s as good a fit for the M&#039;s as Buehrle is, and I think he&#039;ll cost too much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think he&#8217;s going to get traded, I don&#8217;t think he&#8217;s as good a fit for the M&#8217;s as Buehrle is, and I think he&#8217;ll cost too much.</p>
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		<title>By: Teej</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/07/02/mark-buehrle/comment-page-4/#comment-203306</link>
		<dc:creator>Teej</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 12:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave,

It&#039;s been asked a couple of times, and forgive me if I haven&#039;t seen a response, but I&#039;ve gotta ask: What do you think about Zambrano? Scared of the high pitch/inning counts and the rising walk rate? Do you think Buehrle is better than him straight-up? Or are you assuming the Cubs&#039; asking price will simply be too high?

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s been asked a couple of times, and forgive me if I haven&#8217;t seen a response, but I&#8217;ve gotta ask: What do you think about Zambrano? Scared of the high pitch/inning counts and the rising walk rate? Do you think Buehrle is better than him straight-up? Or are you assuming the Cubs&#8217; asking price will simply be too high?</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Oly Rainiers Fan</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/07/02/mark-buehrle/comment-page-4/#comment-203305</link>
		<dc:creator>Oly Rainiers Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 09:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t do it.  

Yes, count me as a skeptic (for the Ms could easily start an 8 game losing streak today - if they&#039;ve proven anything this season, it&#039;s that they&#039;re streaky as individuals, and sometimes even as a team) - and count me as a big Wlad and Rob Johnson fan, and I&#039;d rather not see them going anywhere for a rent a player for this season.  Even with Felix + Buehrle, I don&#039;t think we&#039;d survive in the postseason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t do it.  </p>
<p>Yes, count me as a skeptic (for the Ms could easily start an 8 game losing streak today &#8211; if they&#8217;ve proven anything this season, it&#8217;s that they&#8217;re streaky as individuals, and sometimes even as a team) &#8211; and count me as a big Wlad and Rob Johnson fan, and I&#8217;d rather not see them going anywhere for a rent a player for this season.  Even with Felix + Buehrle, I don&#8217;t think we&#8217;d survive in the postseason.</p>
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		<title>By: Tak</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/07/02/mark-buehrle/comment-page-4/#comment-203303</link>
		<dc:creator>Tak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 08:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey, at least he could be a better hitter than Vidro :P

Anyhow, there are reports that the Sox have added some kind of no-trade protection to their offer, so maybe Buehrle will agree to an extension...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey, at least he could be a better hitter than Vidro <img src='http://www.ussmariner.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Anyhow, there are reports that the Sox have added some kind of no-trade protection to their offer, so maybe Buehrle will agree to an extension&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: JSully</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/07/02/mark-buehrle/comment-page-4/#comment-203301</link>
		<dc:creator>JSully</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 08:36:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>152: I&#039;m guessing it has something to do with Willis&#039; ho-hum strikeout rate and decreasing control (walked 83 last year and is on pace for 92 this year). His ERA+ since 2003:

122
102
153
112
88 (in 108 innings this year)

This isn&#039;t to say that a pitcher of Willis&#039; caliber isn&#039;t useful, because a pitcher with a career 115 OPS+ has value. The problem is that his perceived value (that of a frontline starter) outweighs what you would have to pay to receive someone with bad control and a fringy ability to miss bats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>152: I&#8217;m guessing it has something to do with Willis&#8217; ho-hum strikeout rate and decreasing control (walked 83 last year and is on pace for 92 this year). His ERA+ since 2003:</p>
<p>122<br />
102<br />
153<br />
112<br />
88 (in 108 innings this year)</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t to say that a pitcher of Willis&#8217; caliber isn&#8217;t useful, because a pitcher with a career 115 OPS+ has value. The problem is that his perceived value (that of a frontline starter) outweighs what you would have to pay to receive someone with bad control and a fringy ability to miss bats.</p>
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		<title>By: eponymous coward</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/07/02/mark-buehrle/comment-page-3/#comment-202978</link>
		<dc:creator>eponymous coward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 03:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, Dave, why are you disinterested in Dontrelle Willis at any realistic price, Dave?

(I say &quot;realistic&quot; because I assume that if somehow in some fantasy, we could put in a waiver claim for him and get him for the cost of his annual salary, you would...I&#039;m thinking &quot;whatever he&#039;d fetch in prospects&quot;.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, Dave, why are you disinterested in Dontrelle Willis at any realistic price, Dave?</p>
<p>(I say &#8220;realistic&#8221; because I assume that if somehow in some fantasy, we could put in a waiver claim for him and get him for the cost of his annual salary, you would&#8230;I&#8217;m thinking &#8220;whatever he&#8217;d fetch in prospects&#8221;.)</p>
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