Comments on: Youth And Experience Response http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/09/04/youth-and-experience-response/ Seattle Mariners blog and general baseball discussion Fri, 10 Feb 2012 01:19:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Brian Rust http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/09/04/youth-and-experience-response/comment-page-2/#comment-233761 Brian Rust Wed, 05 Sep 2007 22:42:43 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/09/04/youth-and-experience-response/#comment-233761 <i>The question that Geoff frames the playing time debate as is, in my opinion, the wrong question to be asking. He wants to know “Who has earned their playing time?” I could care less about a discussion of whether Jose Vidro’s singles-fest from July 12th to August 14th (when he hit .413 for 104 at-bats) “earned him” the right to play everyday the rest of the year. The fault in the above argument lies in its use of quotations. I cannot find what, exactly, is being quoted.</i> The question that Geoff frames the playing time debate as is, in my opinion, the wrong question to be asking. He wants to know “Who has earned their playing time?” I could care less about a discussion of whether Jose Vidro’s singles-fest from July 12th to August 14th (when he hit .413 for 104 at-bats) “earned him” the right to play everyday the rest of the year.

The fault in the above argument lies in its use of quotations. I cannot find what, exactly, is being quoted.

]]> By: DAMellen http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/09/04/youth-and-experience-response/comment-page-2/#comment-233711 DAMellen Wed, 05 Sep 2007 11:20:26 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/09/04/youth-and-experience-response/#comment-233711 The idea of wanting to play the hot hand is far from unheard of. I think referring to the belief that a player playing well is likely to keep playing well as "voodoo" is a bit much. Still, I think the belief streaks are impossible to predict or understand so should be ignored when writing a starting lineup makes more sense. The idea of wanting to play the hot hand is far from unheard of. I think referring to the belief that a player playing well is likely to keep playing well as “voodoo” is a bit much. Still, I think the belief streaks are impossible to predict or understand so should be ignored when writing a starting lineup makes more sense.

]]> By: John in L.A. http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/09/04/youth-and-experience-response/comment-page-2/#comment-233558 John in L.A. Wed, 05 Sep 2007 04:50:27 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/09/04/youth-and-experience-response/#comment-233558 85 - If you are accurately describing what Baker meant to say, then the column is even worse than it first appeared. And if you're right, then Baker makes his own argument look ridiculous ('Bad in July, then good in August... what voodoo is this? How does a player do better or worse then they were just recently doing? Madness!') All this is aside from the massively flawed set-up... why do you get to frame the argument as Raul OR Adam, Baker? That's certainly not what I've seen around here. How about you try Adam OR Raul vs. left handers and Vidro vs. right handers, like has been the dominant preference? Pretty sure I know why he didn't do that. 85 – If you are accurately describing what Baker meant to say, then the column is even worse than it first appeared.

And if you’re right, then Baker makes his own argument look ridiculous (‘Bad in July, then good in August… what voodoo is this? How does a player do better or worse then they were just recently doing? Madness!’)

All this is aside from the massively flawed set-up… why do you get to frame the argument as Raul OR Adam, Baker? That’s certainly not what I’ve seen around here.

How about you try Adam OR Raul vs. left handers and Vidro vs. right handers, like has been the dominant preference?

Pretty sure I know why he didn’t do that.

]]> By: DAMellen http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/09/04/youth-and-experience-response/comment-page-2/#comment-233488 DAMellen Wed, 05 Sep 2007 04:06:52 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/09/04/youth-and-experience-response/#comment-233488 This post is more than a little ridiculous. I agree with everything you say, but this post has absolutely nothing to do with Baker’s. Obviously, he thinks that you should put the players who are most likely to help the team win on the field. There’s nobody anywhere that doesn’t think putting the players with the best chance of helping the team win on the field is the way to go. The difference between you and Baker is not that he thinks playing time is earned and you think playing time goes to the player who will help the team the most. The difference is that you guys have different methods for determining which player will help the team most. He thinks that how a player has performed over the past few months is a strong indicator of how they will perform over the next few months. You disagree with this theory. That’s the difference. “Earning playing time” is not part of anybody’s argument. That said, I agree with you completely. I’d play Jones at least five times a week from here on out. This post is more than a little ridiculous. I agree with everything you say, but this post has absolutely nothing to do with Baker’s. Obviously, he thinks that you should put the players who are most likely to help the team win on the field. There’s nobody anywhere that doesn’t think putting the players with the best chance of helping the team win on the field is the way to go.
The difference between you and Baker is not that he thinks playing time is earned and you think playing time goes to the player who will help the team the most. The difference is that you guys have different methods for determining which player will help the team most. He thinks that how a player has performed over the past few months is a strong indicator of how they will perform over the next few months. You disagree with this theory. That’s the difference. “Earning playing time” is not part of anybody’s argument.
That said, I agree with you completely. I’d play Jones at least five times a week from here on out.

]]> By: ralphie81 http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/09/04/youth-and-experience-response/comment-page-2/#comment-233348 ralphie81 Wed, 05 Sep 2007 03:08:47 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/09/04/youth-and-experience-response/#comment-233348 Something worth noting: For pitching, Mariners went with youthful Felix yesterday against uber-veteran Clemens for the Yankees. Who pitched better? Something worth noting: For pitching, Mariners went with youthful Felix yesterday against uber-veteran Clemens for the Yankees. Who pitched better?

]]> By: Jeff Nye http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/09/04/youth-and-experience-response/comment-page-2/#comment-233321 Jeff Nye Wed, 05 Sep 2007 02:43:21 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/09/04/youth-and-experience-response/#comment-233321 As much as I'd like to see Sexson out of the lineup, asking Ibanez to change from the outfield to the infield during the middle of a playoff race is a lot to ask. As much as I’d like to see Sexson out of the lineup, asking Ibanez to change from the outfield to the infield during the middle of a playoff race is a lot to ask.

]]> By: strong silence http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/09/04/youth-and-experience-response/comment-page-2/#comment-233319 strong silence Wed, 05 Sep 2007 02:42:34 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/09/04/youth-and-experience-response/#comment-233319 That is 3 Line Drives in the first 5 batters. That is 3 Line Drives in the first 5 batters.

]]> By: reality3 http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/09/04/youth-and-experience-response/comment-page-2/#comment-233284 reality3 Wed, 05 Sep 2007 02:21:28 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/09/04/youth-and-experience-response/#comment-233284 Jones LF /Inchiro CF/Reed RF/Guiilen DH/ Ibanez 1B Jones LF /Inchiro CF/Reed RF/Guiilen DH/ Ibanez 1B

]]> By: kenshabby http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/09/04/youth-and-experience-response/comment-page-2/#comment-233280 kenshabby Wed, 05 Sep 2007 02:15:28 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/09/04/youth-and-experience-response/#comment-233280 <i>I’ll say this for Ibanez, when the dude is hot, the dude is HOT, and you want to ride it for as long as it lasts. Was it last year that he got hits in 11-12 consecutive at bats?</i> Uh, the major league record for consecutive hits is 12. I don't think Ral came close to that. And Ral isn't exactly "hot" anymore. And when he is hot we'd rather have him DHing than being a defensive liability in LF. I’ll say this for Ibanez, when the dude is hot, the dude is HOT, and you want to ride it for as long as it lasts. Was it last year that he got hits in 11-12 consecutive at bats?

Uh, the major league record for consecutive hits is 12. I don’t think Ral came close to that. And Ral isn’t exactly “hot” anymore. And when he is hot we’d rather have him DHing than being a defensive liability in LF.

]]> By: strong silence http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/09/04/youth-and-experience-response/comment-page-2/#comment-233277 strong silence Wed, 05 Sep 2007 02:11:20 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/09/04/youth-and-experience-response/#comment-233277 I also thought of the Braves. They traded a rookie for a veteran for the playoff run. Schuerholz and Bavasi sharing the same philosophy? Hmmm, maybe Bavasi know more about the game than we think. I also thought of the Braves. They traded a rookie for a veteran for the playoff run. Schuerholz and Bavasi sharing the same philosophy? Hmmm, maybe Bavasi know more about the game than we think.

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