Comments on: A’s trade Haren to Diamondbacks http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/12/14/as-trade-haren-to-diamondbacks/ Seattle Mariners blog and general baseball discussion Fri, 10 Feb 2012 01:19:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: et_blankenship http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/12/14/as-trade-haren-to-diamondbacks/comment-page-1/#comment-245634 et_blankenship Sun, 16 Dec 2007 09:49:02 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/12/14/as-trade-haren-to-diamondbacks/#comment-245634 Maybe Horacio has a brother...? Maybe Horacio has a brother…?

]]> By: Thom Jimsen http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/12/14/as-trade-haren-to-diamondbacks/comment-page-1/#comment-245615 Thom Jimsen Sun, 16 Dec 2007 07:17:56 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/12/14/as-trade-haren-to-diamondbacks/#comment-245615 Dave, what's your read on this trade? Dave, what’s your read on this trade?

]]> By: _David_ http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/12/14/as-trade-haren-to-diamondbacks/comment-page-1/#comment-245611 _David_ Sun, 16 Dec 2007 05:03:07 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/12/14/as-trade-haren-to-diamondbacks/#comment-245611 Who here thinks Bavasi will try to trade AJ for Silva or Lohse even though they are FAs? Who here thinks Bavasi will try to trade AJ for Silva or Lohse even though they are FAs?

]]> By: wokster http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/12/14/as-trade-haren-to-diamondbacks/comment-page-1/#comment-245610 wokster Sun, 16 Dec 2007 04:04:53 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/12/14/as-trade-haren-to-diamondbacks/#comment-245610 #36 - I can't imagine dropping Haren will make the M's fare any better than last year against them. Haren made 5 starts against the M's last year and the A's were 1-4 during those starts. Really the Wildcard is coming out of the Central or the East. We're fighting (if you can really call it that) for the West or going home next season. #36 – I can’t imagine dropping Haren will make the M’s fare any better than last year against them.

Haren made 5 starts against the M’s last year and the A’s were 1-4 during those starts.

Really the Wildcard is coming out of the Central or the East. We’re fighting (if you can really call it that) for the West or going home next season.

]]> By: heyoka http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/12/14/as-trade-haren-to-diamondbacks/comment-page-1/#comment-245609 heyoka Sun, 16 Dec 2007 03:03:46 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/12/14/as-trade-haren-to-diamondbacks/#comment-245609 When I first read about this deal yesterday, I plugged all the names into the baseball cube to check their stats, and this looks like a major haul for Billy Beane, and the A's. Lots of impressive performances, only a year or two away from the bigs. This also gives the M's a better chance at the wild card this year. If Oakland becomes a walk over, that means more wins for Seattle. (Still not likely, but hey...) When I first read about this deal yesterday, I plugged all the names into the baseball cube to check their stats, and this looks like a major haul for Billy Beane, and the A’s. Lots of impressive performances, only a year or two away from the bigs.

This also gives the M’s a better chance at the wild card this year. If Oakland becomes a walk over, that means more wins for Seattle. (Still not likely, but hey…)

]]> By: msb http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/12/14/as-trade-haren-to-diamondbacks/comment-page-1/#comment-245608 msb Sun, 16 Dec 2007 03:00:45 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/12/14/as-trade-haren-to-diamondbacks/#comment-245608 "Kuroda's deal is believed to be worth between $36-40 million over the three-year term, according to the L.A. Daily News." and per Hickey: "The Mariners had offered Kuroda more money, and the Kansas City Royals offered as much money on a per-year basis in addition to an extra year – a total of four years at $48 million." last week there was a report that Kuroda's manager said the Dodgers were Hiroki's choice, because: "The Dodgers are playing their 50th year in L.A., Joe Torre is the manager and the Dodgers have a better chance of reaching the playoffs than the Mariners, who were his second choice." “Kuroda’s deal is believed to be worth between $36-40 million over the three-year term, according to the L.A. Daily News.”

and per Hickey: “The Mariners had offered Kuroda more money, and the Kansas City Royals offered as much money on a per-year basis in addition to an extra year – a total of four years at $48 million.”

last week there was a report that Kuroda’s manager said the Dodgers were Hiroki’s choice, because: “The Dodgers are playing their 50th year in L.A., Joe Torre is the manager and the Dodgers have a better chance of reaching the playoffs than the Mariners, who were his second choice.”

]]> By: Sklyansky http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/12/14/as-trade-haren-to-diamondbacks/comment-page-1/#comment-245607 Sklyansky Sun, 16 Dec 2007 02:52:53 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/12/14/as-trade-haren-to-diamondbacks/#comment-245607 Rosenthal says his "sources" say the M's are going to intensify their pursuit of Lohse and Silva. I hope he's wrong about that. Bavasi is making it really hard to be a fan of the Mariners...a lot of us have stuck around this long, but there's only so much people can take. If they sign Lohse to some ridiculous $10+ million a year deal, I think I'll just stop watching or following the team until he's fired. Rosenthal says his “sources” say the M’s are going to intensify their pursuit of Lohse and Silva. I hope he’s wrong about that.

Bavasi is making it really hard to be a fan of the Mariners…a lot of us have stuck around this long, but there’s only so much people can take. If they sign Lohse to some ridiculous $10+ million a year deal, I think I’ll just stop watching or following the team until he’s fired.

]]> By: CCW http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/12/14/as-trade-haren-to-diamondbacks/comment-page-1/#comment-245606 CCW Sun, 16 Dec 2007 02:09:36 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/12/14/as-trade-haren-to-diamondbacks/#comment-245606 I think it's a great trade for both teams. Arizona was absolutely drowning in pretty good prospects that were blocked by, for the most part, even better youngsters. Now, with Haren and Webb as a solid and cheap 1-2 for several years, and an amazing array of under-25 position players that are going to be coming into their prime over the next few years, they're poised for solid 3-4 year run. The A's weren't likely to be competitive before Haren became expensive and they really needed to bulk up the farm system. Also, like others have mentioned, Haren is probably not quite as good as his current reputation. Seems like a great deal between two smart organizations in different stages of the MLB success cycle. I think it’s a great trade for both teams. Arizona was absolutely drowning in pretty good prospects that were blocked by, for the most part, even better youngsters. Now, with Haren and Webb as a solid and cheap 1-2 for several years, and an amazing array of under-25 position players that are going to be coming into their prime over the next few years, they’re poised for solid 3-4 year run. The A’s weren’t likely to be competitive before Haren became expensive and they really needed to bulk up the farm system. Also, like others have mentioned, Haren is probably not quite as good as his current reputation. Seems like a great deal between two smart organizations in different stages of the MLB success cycle.

]]> By: leftfield_17 http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/12/14/as-trade-haren-to-diamondbacks/comment-page-1/#comment-245605 leftfield_17 Sun, 16 Dec 2007 01:47:41 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/12/14/as-trade-haren-to-diamondbacks/#comment-245605 Espn is reporting Kuroda is going to the Dodgers. Espn is reporting Kuroda is going to the Dodgers.

]]> By: James T http://www.ussmariner.com/2007/12/14/as-trade-haren-to-diamondbacks/comment-page-1/#comment-245604 James T Sun, 16 Dec 2007 01:22:41 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/12/14/as-trade-haren-to-diamondbacks/#comment-245604 #19. What if Beane thinks Haren is somewhat overrated right now and that he'll never get this kind of haul for him again? Haren had an unusually high number of his runs allowed coming as unearned runs which didn't show up in his ERA. He also had a dip, relative to previous years, in his rate of allowing home runs. I thought there was some general consensus that there's a significant degree of luck in the variations of a pitcher's HR allowed stats. Taking these things together, you might have a B to B plus sort of starter being perceived as an A- sort of pitcher. (those categories being arbitrary labels not any scout's) #19. What if Beane thinks Haren is somewhat overrated right now and that he’ll never get this kind of haul for him again?

Haren had an unusually high number of his runs allowed coming as unearned runs which didn’t show up in his ERA. He also had a dip, relative to previous years, in his rate of allowing home runs. I thought there was some general consensus that there’s a significant degree of luck in the variations of a pitcher’s HR allowed stats.

Taking these things together, you might have a B to B plus sort of starter being perceived as an A- sort of pitcher. (those categories being arbitrary labels not any scout’s)

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