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		<title>By: David*</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/01/08/eighteen-days/comment-page-2/#comment-247305</link>
		<dc:creator>David*</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 08:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey at least we&#039;re not going after Eddie Guardado. Oh Texas, will you never learn?</description>
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		<title>By: Grayfox</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/01/08/eighteen-days/comment-page-2/#comment-247263</link>
		<dc:creator>Grayfox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 05:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope we can still add days to our 18 day stretch, i dont think we got rid of anyone for Cairo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope we can still add days to our 18 day stretch, i dont think we got rid of anyone for Cairo.</p>
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		<title>By: SpokaneMsFan</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/01/08/eighteen-days/comment-page-2/#comment-247262</link>
		<dc:creator>SpokaneMsFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 05:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So signing Miguel Cairo doesn&#039;t really impact much and we can still say 18 days right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So signing Miguel Cairo doesn&#8217;t really impact much and we can still say 18 days right?</p>
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		<title>By: neil5611</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/01/08/eighteen-days/comment-page-2/#comment-247240</link>
		<dc:creator>neil5611</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 03:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Chris I don&#039;t agree.
In Morrow you have a young player that at worst has taken Soriano&#039;s place after Bavasi made the trade heard round the world-HoRam anyone?
This team has some minor league depth at catcher and outfield.
Trade Jones, get Bedard.
Also a proven lefty is a big plus at home.
And good pitching is more important than hitting.
Of course good defense helps...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Chris I don&#8217;t agree.<br />
In Morrow you have a young player that at worst has taken Soriano&#8217;s place after Bavasi made the trade heard round the world-HoRam anyone?<br />
This team has some minor league depth at catcher and outfield.<br />
Trade Jones, get Bedard.<br />
Also a proven lefty is a big plus at home.<br />
And good pitching is more important than hitting.<br />
Of course good defense helps&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 03:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huh?! 

Why does everyone think pitching is sooooo much more important or hard to find, or shouldn&#039;t be traded. Just because Morrow throws a ball, doesn&#039;t make him a MLB caliber starter, in fact that&#039;s less certain than AJ being MLB caliber, so why would you NOT include him because of that?  Also, say getting JP Howell for a mid level prospect would be as big of an improvement as trading Jones for Bedard, because you don&#039;t lose Jones.  It makes no sense.  Comparing to the Yankees, who should be winning 100+ games every freaking year btw, and when nobody in the world can spend like them, isn&#039;t a good comp.  They&#039;re also closer (like almost a given) to the playoffs than us.  Also, Felix is a #1 starter now, not potentially, he is, now.</description>
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<p>Why does everyone think pitching is sooooo much more important or hard to find, or shouldn&#8217;t be traded. Just because Morrow throws a ball, doesn&#8217;t make him a MLB caliber starter, in fact that&#8217;s less certain than AJ being MLB caliber, so why would you NOT include him because of that?  Also, say getting JP Howell for a mid level prospect would be as big of an improvement as trading Jones for Bedard, because you don&#8217;t lose Jones.  It makes no sense.  Comparing to the Yankees, who should be winning 100+ games every freaking year btw, and when nobody in the world can spend like them, isn&#8217;t a good comp.  They&#8217;re also closer (like almost a given) to the playoffs than us.  Also, Felix is a #1 starter now, not potentially, he is, now.</p>
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		<title>By: neil5611</title>
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		<dc:creator>neil5611</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 03:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We clearly need starting pitching as the current crop has one young potential #1 and a crew of #3-#4-#5&#039;s.
Bedard is instantly a legitimate #1-#2 based on his current performance.
Part of the goal with young talent is to trade into quality starting pitching-see the Yankees.
We don&#039;t pull the trigger we keep some maybe&#039;s.
Again I would not include pitching in the deal however I believe hitting is easier to find-see Jose Guillen.
By the way any takers for Vidro, ha ha.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We clearly need starting pitching as the current crop has one young potential #1 and a crew of #3-#4-#5&#8242;s.<br />
Bedard is instantly a legitimate #1-#2 based on his current performance.<br />
Part of the goal with young talent is to trade into quality starting pitching-see the Yankees.<br />
We don&#8217;t pull the trigger we keep some maybe&#8217;s.<br />
Again I would not include pitching in the deal however I believe hitting is easier to find-see Jose Guillen.<br />
By the way any takers for Vidro, ha ha.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 03:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#87, that&#039;s what makes you want that can&#039;t miss young pitcher more, it&#039;s something that&#039;s harder to project.  We had one a couple years ago though :)  He&#039;s with the team still.  And I think he&#039;s a big wild card in how well we do in 2008.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#87, that&#8217;s what makes you want that can&#8217;t miss young pitcher more, it&#8217;s something that&#8217;s harder to project.  We had one a couple years ago though <img src='http://www.ussmariner.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   He&#8217;s with the team still.  And I think he&#8217;s a big wild card in how well we do in 2008.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 03:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>crap, wrong thread.  Please delete #88, and this one that&#039;s an OK thing to ask.</description>
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		<title>By: Chris Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 03:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Bedardâ€™s numbers have improved dramatically each of the past three years pitching in a division that has had improved offensively each of the past three years. Iâ€™m not predicting further improvement, but substantial drop off considering change of divisions and ballparks seems highly unlikely.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt;

The value is relative, playing in Safeco and the AL West doesn&#039;t make him better, even if his ERA may or may not be prettier.  Also his K #&#039;s jumped big this year, you SHOULD expect regression to the mean, otherwise you&#039;ll fail more often than not.  For something K%, something like Marcels (5/4/3 for last 3 years) is probably best, since K rates are very stable year to year.  If I use K/9, even though K% is better, K/9 is easier, I get 9.45, which is something like a .50 run difference in ERA, or a full win.  

&lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt;I stated it in the last post, but in addition to the win calculations, you have to think about the positive impact this would have on Felix and the rest of the rotation â€” you in essence would be adding another stopper to the rotation, which certainly would have been helpful during last yearâ€™s swoon.&lt;/i&gt;

I don&#039;t get that, it does improve the team, replacing HoRam w/ Bedard, but how does it improve Felix?

&lt;i&gt;And I do think that adding Bedard in exchange for prospects puts the Mâ€™s in position to compete in the AL West or wild card in 2008, which bolsterâ€™s the teams overall ability to attract and retain other free agents and also establishes a culture of winning throughout the system.&lt;/i&gt;

I disagree, I think Bedard for Jones is a 1, maybe 2 win improvement if things break right, which I don&#039;t think makes a hill of beans difference in people wanting to sign here.  Free agents are overrated anyway, and I think the whole &quot;attractive to Free Agents&quot; things is overstated as well.

&lt;i&gt;And general thinking seems to be that if Bedard goes, so does Roberts. Toss in Lopez and another prospect for Roberts by all means â€” that guy at the top of the lineup next to Ichiro would be unstoppable.&lt;/i&gt;

I might do that, if we were a little closer, but we&#039;d still need a RF or LF.  I also would be careful about giving up on Lopez yet.  It depends too, AJ for Roberts AND Bedard might not be so bad, especially if we can include Lopez for an OF.  

&lt;i&gt;Lastly, if you look at the coaching staff that the Mâ€™s have assembled, itâ€™s not exactly a bunch of progressive thinking coaches that are good with young kids â€” we have an AARP crew that has deep baseball knowledge, but probably wonâ€™t be that great at helping our younger players along.&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s a fixable problem, tell McLaren etc, that it&#039;s play the kids or get new jobs.  Our coaching is hardly untouchable, is it?

&lt;i&gt;
Grab Bedard, make a run at things this year and then if it doesnâ€™t work out Bavasi will be gone and weâ€™ll have a GM who would know how to sell some vets and restock with prospects.&lt;/i&gt;

If it doesn&#039;t work, we&#039;ve blew our chance for &#039;09, IMO.

&lt;i&gt;And shame on all of you threatening to become Aâ€™s fans â€” that is the most disheartening thing iâ€™ve ever read.&lt;/i&gt;&#039;

That I&#039;ll agree with!  I&#039;m too much of an M&#039;s fanboy, bad trades or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Bedardâ€™s numbers have improved dramatically each of the past three years pitching in a division that has had improved offensively each of the past three years. Iâ€™m not predicting further improvement, but substantial drop off considering change of divisions and ballparks seems highly unlikely.</i><i></p>
<p>The value is relative, playing in Safeco and the AL West doesn&#8217;t make him better, even if his ERA may or may not be prettier.  Also his K #&#8217;s jumped big this year, you SHOULD expect regression to the mean, otherwise you&#8217;ll fail more often than not.  For something K%, something like Marcels (5/4/3 for last 3 years) is probably best, since K rates are very stable year to year.  If I use K/9, even though K% is better, K/9 is easier, I get 9.45, which is something like a .50 run difference in ERA, or a full win.  </p>
<p></i><i>I stated it in the last post, but in addition to the win calculations, you have to think about the positive impact this would have on Felix and the rest of the rotation â€” you in essence would be adding another stopper to the rotation, which certainly would have been helpful during last yearâ€™s swoon.</i></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t get that, it does improve the team, replacing HoRam w/ Bedard, but how does it improve Felix?</p>
<p><i>And I do think that adding Bedard in exchange for prospects puts the Mâ€™s in position to compete in the AL West or wild card in 2008, which bolsterâ€™s the teams overall ability to attract and retain other free agents and also establishes a culture of winning throughout the system.</i></p>
<p>I disagree, I think Bedard for Jones is a 1, maybe 2 win improvement if things break right, which I don&#8217;t think makes a hill of beans difference in people wanting to sign here.  Free agents are overrated anyway, and I think the whole &#8220;attractive to Free Agents&#8221; things is overstated as well.</p>
<p><i>And general thinking seems to be that if Bedard goes, so does Roberts. Toss in Lopez and another prospect for Roberts by all means â€” that guy at the top of the lineup next to Ichiro would be unstoppable.</i></p>
<p>I might do that, if we were a little closer, but we&#8217;d still need a RF or LF.  I also would be careful about giving up on Lopez yet.  It depends too, AJ for Roberts AND Bedard might not be so bad, especially if we can include Lopez for an OF.  </p>
<p><i>Lastly, if you look at the coaching staff that the Mâ€™s have assembled, itâ€™s not exactly a bunch of progressive thinking coaches that are good with young kids â€” we have an AARP crew that has deep baseball knowledge, but probably wonâ€™t be that great at helping our younger players along.</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s a fixable problem, tell McLaren etc, that it&#8217;s play the kids or get new jobs.  Our coaching is hardly untouchable, is it?</p>
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Grab Bedard, make a run at things this year and then if it doesnâ€™t work out Bavasi will be gone and weâ€™ll have a GM who would know how to sell some vets and restock with prospects.</i></p>
<p>If it doesn&#8217;t work, we&#8217;ve blew our chance for &#8217;09, IMO.</p>
<p><i>And shame on all of you threatening to become Aâ€™s fans â€” that is the most disheartening thing iâ€™ve ever read.</i>&#8216;</p>
<p>That I&#8217;ll agree with!  I&#8217;m too much of an M&#8217;s fanboy, bad trades or not.</p>
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		<title>By: neil5611</title>
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		<dc:creator>neil5611</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 02:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point Chris.
I guess I still have faith in Morrow and don&#039;t want to lose Sherrill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point Chris.<br />
I guess I still have faith in Morrow and don&#8217;t want to lose Sherrill.</p>
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