Comments on: No news is good news

By: s.bender21

s.bender21 — Sun, 13 Jan 2008 09:41:48 +0000

Did everyone hear that Jones left winter ball early and is headed back to Seattle?

By: Wishhiker

Wishhiker — Sun, 13 Jan 2008 08:26:14 +0000

Dave Henderson got a WS ring and was on 3 WS losers.

By: terry

terry — Sat, 12 Jan 2008 16:00:48 +0000

The Ms farm is in pretty good shape at the moment.

By: joser

joser — Sat, 12 Jan 2008 12:36:07 +0000

Unless I’m mistaken, there’s a guy named Ken Griffey Jr who came up from the farm and contributed to a winning team. And another one named Edgar Martinez (who could’ve contributed much sooner than he did). And another one named Tino Martinez (though most of the winning teams he contributed to were in the Bronx).

By: Joof

Joof — Sat, 12 Jan 2008 11:10:36 +0000

130: For Number 2 Varitek and David Ortiz used to be in the Mariner Farm system and played for the Red Sox. Asdrubal Cabrera is the starting second Baseman for the Indians and we traded him for some loser who had like 100 at bats. Those are the ones I can think of off the top of my head without trying too hard.

By: skipj

skipj — Sat, 12 Jan 2008 09:49:34 +0000

As a former major league observer and an unpaid, and unnoticed, consultant to every team major and minor, I feel easily as unqualified as the rest of you to comment:
1. What is the record of the M’s protecting young players, and then turning it to their advantage down the line? (Little Unit alone drops that to a D in my book).
2. What is the M’s history of non-A-ROD minor league talent contributing to a winning team?

Does the farm just suck? Do they don’t know how to use it? Don’t know. Guess: Yes and Yes. But projections and league-wide stats mean very little when normed against “YOUR SEATTLE MARINERS”. It’s a weird place with a weird team.

Stat heads, ATTACK!
skipj

By: gwangung

gwangung — Sat, 12 Jan 2008 08:05:53 +0000

Stop it Bill. Donâ€™t do anything else.

Actually, he should say, “Howard. Chuck. SHOVE IT and SHUT UP.”

Because it’s clear that a lot of this stuff is coming from over his head.

By: Mr. Egaas

Mr. Egaas — Sat, 12 Jan 2008 07:50:32 +0000

If Bavasi was really thinking of sending away Jones earlier this off season, he should have planned a backup long before now. If it comes down to giving some can’t-play-left and about the same threat as a hitter than Vidro to play left field, it’s just an entire mess. If it comes down to giving up Adam Jones, the best option is probably sitting on the projected AAA roster in Wladimir Balantien. Jenkins would have been perfect, Cameron would have been okay (but no way the team is looking to bring in somebody suspended for breaking the drug rules), anybody else just makes me even more peeved than I already am.

Clearly, if his offseason goes as to tendering HoRam, not taking a free draft pick when Guillen was going to walk, dealing Broussard for peanuts, overpaying for Silva, guaranteeing money to Cairo, shipping off the future for Bedard, and giving an overpaid hack 500 ABs and 140 games in the outfield — that’s about seven negatives in my book.

I will root for Detroit and Tampa Bay — at least they’ve got a clue, either go for it now when you’ve got a chance or give yourself a chance to do it for years to come. A ton of damage hasn’t been done to the future yet — I’m still an M’s fan for now, but the next several moves could sway me from the team until some changes at the top are made.

Imagine if we would have rightfully drafted Andrew Miller. We wouldn’t even be in this position right now.

Stop it Bill. Don’t do anything else.

By: imfinkspa

imfinkspa — Sat, 12 Jan 2008 05:23:18 +0000

Stewart will be 34 and is coming off his first reasonably healthy year since 2002. Last year was probably his best during that time and he hit 290/345/394. I don’t see that line as particularly valuable or useful. Moreover, due to numerous knee and foot injuries, he’s lost a lot of range and never had much of an arm to begin with.

Luis Gonzalez is 40 and was somewhat better than Stewart last year, hitting 278/359/433. He is pretty much useless in the field at this point, but he’s probably a minor upgrade over Turbo if you want to eat the salary, but it still fails to address your left field problem and Gonzalez has to be at least as likely as Jones to go in the tank this year (particularly after changing leagues and moving to one of the more pitching friendly parks he’s ever playerd in).

The fact is, trading Jones opens a huge hole in the outfield without a promising replacement on the market or a reasonable replacement for the next six years in the wings.

By: gwangung

gwangung — Sat, 12 Jan 2008 05:06:17 +0000

Does anyone know who might be available via trade?

Shouldn’t that be a clear signal that perhaps trading so much for Bedard may not be a good idea? It starts a cascade of multiple trades that HAVE to get done in order to fill the holes you’ve opened up. And that’s the sort of thing that jacks the price up IF you can get them done—which is not a given the trading.

Seems a little jury-rigged, paritcularly in a year when signable talent is so thin…and you’ve just traded a lot of your valuable trading chips.