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		<title>By: currcoug</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/03/12/ms-dump-horam/comment-page-2/#comment-254375</link>
		<dc:creator>currcoug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By all accounts, Bill Bavasi is a nice man, and observably intelligent.  Standing up for his staff in Anaheim demonstrated courage and loyalty.  However, something is clearly wrong with his abilities as GM of the Mariners. 

It is fair to say that the trades of Cabrera, Bazardo, Soriano, and the attempted trade of Balentien evidence poor judgment and/or poor talent evaluation.  Moreover, the signing and subsequent release of Horramible is only the latest in a long line of costly mistakes.  Bavasi wasted $ 1.2 million on Pokey Reese.  He wasted $ 2.05 million on Reitsma, but continues to believe that Reitsma can be successful by giving him another shot this spring. Many of us believe that Bavasi is wasting another $ 850,000.00 on Cairo, and $ 3,000,000.00 on Wilkerson. An argument can also be made that Bavasi mishandled Jose Guillen&#039;s option.

Every GM makes bad trades, risky free agent signings, and the like. Unfortunately, Bavasiâ€™s indefensible trade record, spotty free agent signings, combined with the repeated failure of the team on the field, warrant his removal as GM of the Mariners.  From my perspective, however, nothing will change unless Lincoln and the current regime are removed as well. That might require the sale of the team.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By all accounts, Bill Bavasi is a nice man, and observably intelligent.  Standing up for his staff in Anaheim demonstrated courage and loyalty.  However, something is clearly wrong with his abilities as GM of the Mariners. </p>
<p>It is fair to say that the trades of Cabrera, Bazardo, Soriano, and the attempted trade of Balentien evidence poor judgment and/or poor talent evaluation.  Moreover, the signing and subsequent release of Horramible is only the latest in a long line of costly mistakes.  Bavasi wasted $ 1.2 million on Pokey Reese.  He wasted $ 2.05 million on Reitsma, but continues to believe that Reitsma can be successful by giving him another shot this spring. Many of us believe that Bavasi is wasting another $ 850,000.00 on Cairo, and $ 3,000,000.00 on Wilkerson. An argument can also be made that Bavasi mishandled Jose Guillen&#8217;s option.</p>
<p>Every GM makes bad trades, risky free agent signings, and the like. Unfortunately, Bavasiâ€™s indefensible trade record, spotty free agent signings, combined with the repeated failure of the team on the field, warrant his removal as GM of the Mariners.  From my perspective, however, nothing will change unless Lincoln and the current regime are removed as well. That might require the sale of the team.</p>
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		<title>By: joser</title>
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		<dc:creator>joser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 09:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;You knowâ€¦I just have to scratch my head over this. It was just JANUARY that the Mâ€™s signed this guy to a one year contract for $2.75 Million. We all thought they were not going to offer him anything.&lt;/i&gt;

If the Bedard trade didn&#039;t happen, and they weren&#039;t able to scrape up anything else, HoRam was their (really bad) insurance.  At 450K, that&#039;s cheap insurance.  Sure, not cheap to you or me, but they&#039;re willing to throw twice that at Bloomquist.  That means $900K is essentially throw-away money.  HoRam cost half a Bloomquist.  Cheap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>You knowâ€¦I just have to scratch my head over this. It was just JANUARY that the Mâ€™s signed this guy to a one year contract for $2.75 Million. We all thought they were not going to offer him anything.</i></p>
<p>If the Bedard trade didn&#8217;t happen, and they weren&#8217;t able to scrape up anything else, HoRam was their (really bad) insurance.  At 450K, that&#8217;s cheap insurance.  Sure, not cheap to you or me, but they&#8217;re willing to throw twice that at Bloomquist.  That means $900K is essentially throw-away money.  HoRam cost half a Bloomquist.  Cheap.</p>
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		<title>By: Kazinski</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/03/12/ms-dump-horam/comment-page-2/#comment-254328</link>
		<dc:creator>Kazinski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 06:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the bench is going to be Bloomquist, Cairo, Burke, Morse and possibly Reed or Norton.  Bullpen: Putz, Rhodes, O&#039;Flaherty, Morrow, Dickey, and Green, and possibly RR-Smith or Jake Woods.  If Rhodes is healthy, and he looked good today, he is a lock.  I think veteran grittiness will be a big factor, and a few more performances  like today wouldn&#039;t hurt.  I think Morse is getting close to being a lock too, it&#039;s not just his average, of course that&#039;s a fluke, his ISO is around .375, that is a little harder to dismiss out of hand for a 6-5 player that hits to the opposite field as well as he does.

The bullpen looks pretty strong, almost strong enough to leave Morrow at Tacoma if Lowe or Huber are healthy and look good.  How was HoRam supposed to crack that pen?

I&#039;m not worried about Cairo being on the bench, its not like McLaren is going to try to make him into Mark McLemore, Mac isn&#039;t the type to &lt;strike&gt;over&lt;/strike&gt;use his bench.  Last year Broussard wasn&#039;t even on a pace to get 200ab&#039;s until he got 73 in September.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the bench is going to be Bloomquist, Cairo, Burke, Morse and possibly Reed or Norton.  Bullpen: Putz, Rhodes, O&#8217;Flaherty, Morrow, Dickey, and Green, and possibly RR-Smith or Jake Woods.  If Rhodes is healthy, and he looked good today, he is a lock.  I think veteran grittiness will be a big factor, and a few more performances  like today wouldn&#8217;t hurt.  I think Morse is getting close to being a lock too, it&#8217;s not just his average, of course that&#8217;s a fluke, his ISO is around .375, that is a little harder to dismiss out of hand for a 6-5 player that hits to the opposite field as well as he does.</p>
<p>The bullpen looks pretty strong, almost strong enough to leave Morrow at Tacoma if Lowe or Huber are healthy and look good.  How was HoRam supposed to crack that pen?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not worried about Cairo being on the bench, its not like McLaren is going to try to make him into Mark McLemore, Mac isn&#8217;t the type to <strike>over</strike>use his bench.  Last year Broussard wasn&#8217;t even on a pace to get 200ab&#8217;s until he got 73 in September.</p>
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		<title>By: terry</title>
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		<dc:creator>terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 04:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sunk cost or stunk cost? All kidding aside, I think one is easier to detect than the other.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sunk cost or stunk cost? All kidding aside, I think one is easier to detect than the other&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Mat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 03:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Cairo has played pretty much everywhere in his career.&lt;/i&gt;

Specifically, he&#039;s played every position except CF and C.

&lt;i&gt;Except that the practicality of playing OF is much different than the theory (see Morseâ€™s initial conversion and some other guy last year who learned on the jobâ€¦)&lt;/i&gt;

Cairo first played the OF way back in 2001, so I would suggest that his &quot;learning on the job&quot; period is over.

I&#039;m not saying Cairo is necessarily a better choice than Morse, but let&#039;s get our facts straight here.  Cairo can play just as many positions as Morse can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Cairo has played pretty much everywhere in his career.</i></p>
<p>Specifically, he&#8217;s played every position except CF and C.</p>
<p><i>Except that the practicality of playing OF is much different than the theory (see Morseâ€™s initial conversion and some other guy last year who learned on the jobâ€¦)</i></p>
<p>Cairo first played the OF way back in 2001, so I would suggest that his &#8220;learning on the job&#8221; period is over.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying Cairo is necessarily a better choice than Morse, but let&#8217;s get our facts straight here.  Cairo can play just as many positions as Morse can.</p>
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		<title>By: DaveValleDrinkNight</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaveValleDrinkNight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 03:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Morse is certainly making his case at the plate right now. He&#039;s hitting .536 so far this Spring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Morse is certainly making his case at the plate right now. He&#8217;s hitting .536 so far this Spring.</p>
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		<title>By: Bremerton guy</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/03/12/ms-dump-horam/comment-page-2/#comment-254324</link>
		<dc:creator>Bremerton guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 03:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#10 - Amaral hasn&#039;t played for the Mariners since 1998.  Bavasi didn&#039;t have anything to do with him.  Maybe you&#039;re thinking of Carl Everett?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#10 &#8211; Amaral hasn&#8217;t played for the Mariners since 1998.  Bavasi didn&#8217;t have anything to do with him.  Maybe you&#8217;re thinking of Carl Everett?</p>
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		<title>By: davepaisley</title>
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		<dc:creator>davepaisley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 03:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>48 - Except that the practicality of playing OF is much different than the theory (see Morse&#039;s initial conversion and some other guy last year who learned on the job...)

The &quot;if you can play SS you can play anywhere&quot; theory is OK if you&#039;re an athletic young pup with plenty of time to adjust to a new position. I don&#039;t think it holds for a (relative) geezer like Cairo.

Morse&#039;s ability to play OF as well as infield positions is more useful, and Morse being the emergency 3rd option at SS is a lot more useful than Cairo being some theoretical 5th OF or backup at 3B.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>48 &#8211; Except that the practicality of playing OF is much different than the theory (see Morse&#8217;s initial conversion and some other guy last year who learned on the job&#8230;)</p>
<p>The &#8220;if you can play SS you can play anywhere&#8221; theory is OK if you&#8217;re an athletic young pup with plenty of time to adjust to a new position. I don&#8217;t think it holds for a (relative) geezer like Cairo.</p>
<p>Morse&#8217;s ability to play OF as well as infield positions is more useful, and Morse being the emergency 3rd option at SS is a lot more useful than Cairo being some theoretical 5th OF or backup at 3B.</p>
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		<title>By: JI</title>
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		<dc:creator>JI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 03:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cairo has played pretty much everywhere in his career.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cairo has played pretty much everywhere in his career.</p>
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		<title>By: DaveValleDrinkNight</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaveValleDrinkNight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 03:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yipppeeee! 
Now we&#039;ve made room for the triumphant return of Bobby Ayala!

Seriously though, I&#039;m really hoping that Lowe makes a full recovery. He could actually make a big difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yipppeeee!<br />
Now we&#8217;ve made room for the triumphant return of Bobby Ayala!</p>
<p>Seriously though, I&#8217;m really hoping that Lowe makes a full recovery. He could actually make a big difference.</p>
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