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		<title>By: BigB</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/04/04/future-forty-25-2/comment-page-1/#comment-257219</link>
		<dc:creator>BigB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 22:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave, I look forward to the Future 40 being back up so I can check it out.  My question:  Is there any way to project a position player as a pitcher, such as Raphael Soriano?  Any cannon-armed OFs that can&#039;t hit who could make the switch to the mound?  I know this is incredibly uncommon, but I&#039;m very intrigued by the concept seeing how my favorite ex-Mariner has turned out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, I look forward to the Future 40 being back up so I can check it out.  My question:  Is there any way to project a position player as a pitcher, such as Raphael Soriano?  Any cannon-armed OFs that can&#8217;t hit who could make the switch to the mound?  I know this is incredibly uncommon, but I&#8217;m very intrigued by the concept seeing how my favorite ex-Mariner has turned out.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/04/04/future-forty-25-2/comment-page-1/#comment-257189</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 17:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Were you not going to include Kenta Suda and Yao Wen Chang amongst the international signees?&lt;/em&gt;

I haven&#039;t been able to find out how much Suda signed for, which is generally the best proxy for how talented these international signings are.  DeJesus, Noriega, and Nunez all signed for good chunks of change, so at least with them I have some tangible information to believe that they have some ability.  With guys like Suda, all we really know is what the M&#039;s tell us.  

I&#039;ve heard conflicting reports on Wen Chang&#039;s signing bonus - one puts him in the $400K range, another in the $150K range.   So, I passed on including him right now.  He and Suda both have plenty of time to end up on the list, after all.

&lt;em&gt;Does Michael Wilson have any ability to help a MLB team? 4th outfielder?&lt;/em&gt;

I don&#039;t think so, no.  He&#039;s got raw power, but that&#039;s his only baseball skill - the rest of his game is beer league level.

&lt;em&gt;Hey Dave, can you reconcile the difference between your opinion of Peguero and the BA crewâ€™s? They like him a lot more than you do, and have him pegged as a major breakout candidate who can play a legit RF. Thoughts?&lt;/em&gt;

I think BA and I are always going to disagree on that kind of player type, honestly.  I just don&#039;t believe that the oversized power guys with no other real baseball skills than hitting a fastball a long way develop into useful players very often.  This is the underlying issue with my long time skepticism about Balentien and Wilson as well.  I&#039;ve had this same problem with BA falling in love with guys like Jason Stokes, too - I just don&#039;t see much evidence that these one note power guys who lack pitch recognition or any kind of contact ability turn into the types of hitters that they&#039;re labeled as having the potential to become, and they never offer any defensive value.  

Realistically, what&#039;s Peguero&#039;s absolute upside? A .250/.300/.450 guy who fills out his 6&#039;5 frame and loses his athleticism? And that&#039;s if he makes it...

&lt;em&gt;If Clement canâ€™t stick behind the plate are there any internal options you like post- Kenji era?&lt;/em&gt;

Not in the organization, no.  Rob Johnson can&#039;t hit and Adam Moore can&#039;t catch.

&lt;em&gt;What are Clementâ€™s defensive liabilities?&lt;/em&gt;

He&#039;s got below average footwork, which is the root cause of most of his other issues.  He doesn&#039;t transfer his weight well, so he struggles blocking pitches in the dirt.  He takes a while to get out of his crouch when throwing out runners, which leads to a slow release and a lot of late throws.  And, he&#039;s big - it&#039;s not uncommon for catchers his size to develop knee and back problems, the latter of which he&#039;s already had.  

&lt;em&gt;Is Austin Bibens-Dirkx a true ML prospect? Any news on his rehab?&lt;/em&gt;

His delivery gives him a shot at being a ROOGY one day.

&lt;em&gt;Add Buckborough and Mohr from last yearâ€™s draft to that mix, and Iâ€™d say the odds are good that few guys rise up and are worth talking about after this season.&lt;/em&gt;

For sure - I know several people in the org. thing Buckborough was a big steal and are quite high on him.  There are definitely a lot of intriguing pitching prospects in the low levels of the system, but the attrition rates for these kinds of arms is very, very high.  We really need to see them survive the 18-20 arm massacre age before we start counting them as tangible depth in the system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Were you not going to include Kenta Suda and Yao Wen Chang amongst the international signees?</em></p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t been able to find out how much Suda signed for, which is generally the best proxy for how talented these international signings are.  DeJesus, Noriega, and Nunez all signed for good chunks of change, so at least with them I have some tangible information to believe that they have some ability.  With guys like Suda, all we really know is what the M&#8217;s tell us.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve heard conflicting reports on Wen Chang&#8217;s signing bonus &#8211; one puts him in the $400K range, another in the $150K range.   So, I passed on including him right now.  He and Suda both have plenty of time to end up on the list, after all.</p>
<p><em>Does Michael Wilson have any ability to help a MLB team? 4th outfielder?</em></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think so, no.  He&#8217;s got raw power, but that&#8217;s his only baseball skill &#8211; the rest of his game is beer league level.</p>
<p><em>Hey Dave, can you reconcile the difference between your opinion of Peguero and the BA crewâ€™s? They like him a lot more than you do, and have him pegged as a major breakout candidate who can play a legit RF. Thoughts?</em></p>
<p>I think BA and I are always going to disagree on that kind of player type, honestly.  I just don&#8217;t believe that the oversized power guys with no other real baseball skills than hitting a fastball a long way develop into useful players very often.  This is the underlying issue with my long time skepticism about Balentien and Wilson as well.  I&#8217;ve had this same problem with BA falling in love with guys like Jason Stokes, too &#8211; I just don&#8217;t see much evidence that these one note power guys who lack pitch recognition or any kind of contact ability turn into the types of hitters that they&#8217;re labeled as having the potential to become, and they never offer any defensive value.  </p>
<p>Realistically, what&#8217;s Peguero&#8217;s absolute upside? A .250/.300/.450 guy who fills out his 6&#8217;5 frame and loses his athleticism? And that&#8217;s if he makes it&#8230;</p>
<p><em>If Clement canâ€™t stick behind the plate are there any internal options you like post- Kenji era?</em></p>
<p>Not in the organization, no.  Rob Johnson can&#8217;t hit and Adam Moore can&#8217;t catch.</p>
<p><em>What are Clementâ€™s defensive liabilities?</em></p>
<p>He&#8217;s got below average footwork, which is the root cause of most of his other issues.  He doesn&#8217;t transfer his weight well, so he struggles blocking pitches in the dirt.  He takes a while to get out of his crouch when throwing out runners, which leads to a slow release and a lot of late throws.  And, he&#8217;s big &#8211; it&#8217;s not uncommon for catchers his size to develop knee and back problems, the latter of which he&#8217;s already had.  </p>
<p><em>Is Austin Bibens-Dirkx a true ML prospect? Any news on his rehab?</em></p>
<p>His delivery gives him a shot at being a ROOGY one day.</p>
<p><em>Add Buckborough and Mohr from last yearâ€™s draft to that mix, and Iâ€™d say the odds are good that few guys rise up and are worth talking about after this season.</em></p>
<p>For sure &#8211; I know several people in the org. thing Buckborough was a big steal and are quite high on him.  There are definitely a lot of intriguing pitching prospects in the low levels of the system, but the attrition rates for these kinds of arms is very, very high.  We really need to see them survive the 18-20 arm massacre age before we start counting them as tangible depth in the system.</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
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		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 16:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d agree that pitching depth really took a hit with the Bedard trade, but I&#039;d clarify that to point specifically to arms that had the possibility of contributing in the near future.  The club spent a good chunk of money on Kenta Suda and a decent amount on Yao-wen Chang as well.  From what little I&#039;ve read on both of them, they seem like they&#039;d be taken in the top few rounds if they were domestic players of equal talent.  Jeroen de Haas might be interesting as well, but don&#039;t know quite as much about him.

I found the recent move of Nasuel Cabrera to the Pulaski affiliate interesting.  It seems as though they&#039;re planning on sending a number of the Latin American pitchers over there to get their feet wet.  The M&#039;s haven&#039;t made any high-dollar pitcher signings out of there recently, it&#039;s mostly just infielders and the occasional outfielder, but they like what they have enough to plan around it.

Depth that low in the minors is hardly depth at all, as we&#039;ve all seen players dominate the AZL and go on to do nothing of note, but I believe there&#039;s enough to work with down there that makes me feel somewhat comfortable.  Add Buckborough and Mohr from last year&#039;s draft to that mix, and I&#039;d say the odds are good that few guys rise up and are worth talking about after this season.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d agree that pitching depth really took a hit with the Bedard trade, but I&#8217;d clarify that to point specifically to arms that had the possibility of contributing in the near future.  The club spent a good chunk of money on Kenta Suda and a decent amount on Yao-wen Chang as well.  From what little I&#8217;ve read on both of them, they seem like they&#8217;d be taken in the top few rounds if they were domestic players of equal talent.  Jeroen de Haas might be interesting as well, but don&#8217;t know quite as much about him.</p>
<p>I found the recent move of Nasuel Cabrera to the Pulaski affiliate interesting.  It seems as though they&#8217;re planning on sending a number of the Latin American pitchers over there to get their feet wet.  The M&#8217;s haven&#8217;t made any high-dollar pitcher signings out of there recently, it&#8217;s mostly just infielders and the occasional outfielder, but they like what they have enough to plan around it.</p>
<p>Depth that low in the minors is hardly depth at all, as we&#8217;ve all seen players dominate the AZL and go on to do nothing of note, but I believe there&#8217;s enough to work with down there that makes me feel somewhat comfortable.  Add Buckborough and Mohr from last year&#8217;s draft to that mix, and I&#8217;d say the odds are good that few guys rise up and are worth talking about after this season.</p>
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		<title>By: Rain Delay</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/04/04/future-forty-25-2/comment-page-1/#comment-257120</link>
		<dc:creator>Rain Delay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 01:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Any chance Felix has a little brother just tearing up some Venezuelan little league?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

He does have a older brother that&#039;s in the Braves system. Pitched at Myrtle Beach last year, and was leading Braves Minor Leaguers in Wins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Any chance Felix has a little brother just tearing up some Venezuelan little league?</p></blockquote>
<p>He does have a older brother that&#8217;s in the Braves system. Pitched at Myrtle Beach last year, and was leading Braves Minor Leaguers in Wins.</p>
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		<title>By: joser</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/04/04/future-forty-25-2/comment-page-1/#comment-256940</link>
		<dc:creator>joser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 23:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I so want Austin Bibens-Dirkx to make it to the majors as the second hyphen in MLB history.  I want to see that name in an on-screen crawl.  I want to see the SportsCenter/BBTN guys deal with it.  Heck, if he makes it with any team I&#039;m buying a jersey.

&lt;i&gt;Well, that draft class is going down as one of the best of all time, so itâ€™s not really fair to Clement to downgrade him for the guys around him all turning into superstars. But, yes, in retrospect, thereâ€™s a lot of other guys the Mâ€™s should have taken, and thereâ€™s almost no chance Clement turns out to be the 3rd best player in that draft.&lt;/i&gt;

If you ever need an example of why you draft based on ability, not on need, this is the one to cite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I so want Austin Bibens-Dirkx to make it to the majors as the second hyphen in MLB history.  I want to see that name in an on-screen crawl.  I want to see the SportsCenter/BBTN guys deal with it.  Heck, if he makes it with any team I&#8217;m buying a jersey.</p>
<p><i>Well, that draft class is going down as one of the best of all time, so itâ€™s not really fair to Clement to downgrade him for the guys around him all turning into superstars. But, yes, in retrospect, thereâ€™s a lot of other guys the Mâ€™s should have taken, and thereâ€™s almost no chance Clement turns out to be the 3rd best player in that draft.</i></p>
<p>If you ever need an example of why you draft based on ability, not on need, this is the one to cite.</p>
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		<title>By: Panev</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/04/04/future-forty-25-2/comment-page-1/#comment-256897</link>
		<dc:creator>Panev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 21:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What are Clement&#039;s defensive liabilities?

Arm strength/accuracy?
Receiving?
Blocking?

Are all pitches typically called for the catchers in the M&#039;s minor league system?

Is Austin Bibens-Dirkx a true ML prospect?  Any news on his rehab?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What are Clement&#8217;s defensive liabilities?</p>
<p>Arm strength/accuracy?<br />
Receiving?<br />
Blocking?</p>
<p>Are all pitches typically called for the catchers in the M&#8217;s minor league system?</p>
<p>Is Austin Bibens-Dirkx a true ML prospect?  Any news on his rehab?</p>
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		<title>By: coasty141</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/04/04/future-forty-25-2/comment-page-1/#comment-256896</link>
		<dc:creator>coasty141</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 21:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Clement can&#039;t stick behind the plate are there any internal options you like post- Kenji era?</description>
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		<title>By: JH</title>
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		<dc:creator>JH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 21:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Dave, can you reconcile the difference between your opinion of Peguero and the BA crew&#039;s?  They like him a lot more than you do, and have him pegged as a major breakout candidate who can play a legit RF.  Thoughts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Dave, can you reconcile the difference between your opinion of Peguero and the BA crew&#8217;s?  They like him a lot more than you do, and have him pegged as a major breakout candidate who can play a legit RF.  Thoughts?</p>
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		<title>By: coasty141</title>
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		<dc:creator>coasty141</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 21:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does Michael Wilson have any ability to help a MLB team? 4th outfielder?</description>
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		<title>By: smb</title>
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		<dc:creator>smb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 21:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Cabrera trade can&#039;t be forgotten for its terrible, terrible, terribleness. I can&#039;t not be excited about how he&#039;s looked, and it just plain sucks it&#039;s for the Tribe and not the M&#039;s. Sucks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Cabrera trade can&#8217;t be forgotten for its terrible, terrible, terribleness. I can&#8217;t not be excited about how he&#8217;s looked, and it just plain sucks it&#8217;s for the Tribe and not the M&#8217;s. Sucks.</p>
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