Comments on: The value of the call-out

By: Jeff Nye

Jeff Nye — Tue, 03 Jun 2008 22:02:01 +0000

I started to type a reply, but you know what? It’s been discussed to death, here and elsewhere.

If you’re interested in being educated about why Beltre isn’t a bust, do some searching of the site archives.

One helpful hint: quoting batting average and home run totals, particularly for players who offer significant value with their glove, isn’t going to get anyone to take you seriously.

By: Flowin

Flowin — Tue, 03 Jun 2008 21:56:48 +0000

Maybe he isnt a bust, but he certainly isnt what the Mariners thought he would be. Not worth the $64 million they paid him, so that he could hit .245 with a bit of pop. Granted, he has hit 13 HRs this year, but over the past 3 years, there is no way the M’s had hoped he would perform as he has.

By: Jeff Nye

Jeff Nye — Tue, 03 Jun 2008 21:42:58 +0000

Beltre is not a bust.

Also, paragraphs.

By: Flowin

Flowin — Tue, 03 Jun 2008 21:35:37 +0000

The problem with the Mariner’s front office is their excess loyalty in the big name players that are way past their prime. This manager and organization in general has shown time and time again that they will continue to start the ailing, struggling veteran over the fresh young, 23-year old kid who has just been brought up from the minors. In many instances the young kid outperforms the aging veteran on all levels, but the management for the Seattle Mariners continues to give the playing time to the veterans with big contracts. As a result, the entire team is hurt by this blind loyalty, and we, as fans, suffer. Take Richie Sexson for instance. In 2004, he signed a 4 year, $50 million dollar contract to play first base. Clearly, the Mariners made a fatal error, as Sexson has hit just over .220 throughout his time here in Seattle. Yet, this organization REFUSES to admit this, and they trot him out there everyday, just to have him go 0 for 4, with 3 strikeouts. This is unfair to the team and to the fans. Then, when he does get a hit or two, the manager will claim that Sexson is just about ready to turn the corner and get out of this slump of his. Yet, this never happens, and the cycle repeats itself. Sexson is not the only example— take Adrian Beltre. He was signed in 2004 as well for a 5 year, $64 million dollar deal. We all know that that has been a bust, since he has hit about .250 since then. Anyway, my point is that as long as the Mariners continue to overpay athletes and start them over the younger, better players, this team will never make it to where they need to be — the playoffs.

By: pygmalion

pygmalion — Tue, 03 Jun 2008 00:55:53 +0000

Paul B: Well, let this be a lesson to the reader! I got my OPS+ there also, but I had been looking at the team page rather than the league page, and what I found on there was sOPS+, which I thought that I could convert to OPS+ by looking at it without any splits. I mean…wouldn’t unsplit split OPS+ be the same as OPS+? Guess not.

By: Paul B

Paul B — Tue, 03 Jun 2008 00:24:44 +0000

Paul B: Where are you getting your ladder of OPS+ by team?

I got them from baseball-reference.

By: Steve T

Steve T — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 20:24:38 +0000

So Cairo’s new nickname is “Secret Weapon”?

By: rcc

rcc — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 20:24:27 +0000

To update that terrific move that conehead Bill recently made….Cha Sun Baek struck out the side in the 12th inning of the game against the Giants, and was the winning pitcher for the Padres.

By: msb

msb — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 19:44:29 +0000

The Mariners as an organization appear to put little value on plate discipline and working the count.

well, they want their hitters to do it, they just don’t think to acquire hitters who do ….

By: Joe C

Joe C — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 19:32:25 +0000

Bavasi should just take McLarenâ€™s job.

Have we reached the point that the Mariners are as badly run as the Knicks?