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		<title>By: John D.</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/06/18/this-is-why-youre-terrible/comment-page-1/#comment-283139</link>
		<dc:creator>John D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 23:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: &quot;&lt;em&gt;Talk to some of the old-line scouts, and theyâ€™ll tell you that of the top 10 things to look for, the top three or four are makeup, makeup, makeup.&lt;/em&gt;

Or &lt;strong&gt;You can&#039;t be sure about a prospect until you look into his eyes.&lt;/strong&gt;

What&#039;s with these guys? Don&#039;t they realize that much of this world&#039;s trouble--including Mariner roster contruction--is caused by these amateur psychologists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: &#8220;<em>Talk to some of the old-line scouts, and theyâ€™ll tell you that of the top 10 things to look for, the top three or four are makeup, makeup, makeup.</em></p>
<p>Or <strong>You can&#8217;t be sure about a prospect until you look into his eyes.</strong></p>
<p>What&#8217;s with these guys? Don&#8217;t they realize that much of this world&#8217;s trouble&#8211;including Mariner roster contruction&#8211;is caused by these amateur psychologists.</p>
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		<title>By: Typical Idiot Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Typical Idiot Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 23:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;In my own mind, Iâ€™ve used statistical analysis the whole time Iâ€™ve been in the game,â€ he said. â€œI will also say Bill Bavasi, among the various GMs Iâ€™ve had here, has used it the most of anybody.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Chuck Armstrong stat analysis:  &quot;One potato, two potato, three potato, four...&quot;

Actually, I do believe they use stat analysis.  While listening only to scouts isn&#039;t a horrible way to determine skill sets, it doesn&#039;t tell the whole tale.  Thus, they will glance at the stats and see if it fits their mold.

The problem is, they&#039;re looking at the wrong stats.  They&#039;re undoubtedly using batting average, RBI, ERA, and other useless / baseless stats.  Chuck Armstrong has barely the brain capacity to know what stat analysis is let alone what it means to use SABR stat analysis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>In my own mind, Iâ€™ve used statistical analysis the whole time Iâ€™ve been in the game,â€ he said. â€œI will also say Bill Bavasi, among the various GMs Iâ€™ve had here, has used it the most of anybody.</p></blockquote>
<p>Chuck Armstrong stat analysis:  &#8220;One potato, two potato, three potato, four&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, I do believe they use stat analysis.  While listening only to scouts isn&#8217;t a horrible way to determine skill sets, it doesn&#8217;t tell the whole tale.  Thus, they will glance at the stats and see if it fits their mold.</p>
<p>The problem is, they&#8217;re looking at the wrong stats.  They&#8217;re undoubtedly using batting average, RBI, ERA, and other useless / baseless stats.  Chuck Armstrong has barely the brain capacity to know what stat analysis is let alone what it means to use SABR stat analysis.</p>
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		<title>By: sealclubber253</title>
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		<dc:creator>sealclubber253</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 21:19:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate the pesimism that is being thrown around about the changes that are soon to come.  I hate it because it&#039;s probably true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate the pesimism that is being thrown around about the changes that are soon to come.  I hate it because it&#8217;s probably true.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 21:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Armstrong&#039;s going to hire a character guy. Watch for it. We&#039;re going to win AFTER Armstrong retires.

I&#039;d be interested to hear from Olkin the answer to this question: &quot;Were you ever asked to evaluate HoRam, and if so what did you say?&quot; Then repeat, with &quot;Vidro&quot; and &quot;Cairo&quot; in there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Armstrong&#8217;s going to hire a character guy. Watch for it. We&#8217;re going to win AFTER Armstrong retires.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be interested to hear from Olkin the answer to this question: &#8220;Were you ever asked to evaluate HoRam, and if so what did you say?&#8221; Then repeat, with &#8220;Vidro&#8221; and &#8220;Cairo&#8221; in there.</p>
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		<title>By: ivan</title>
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		<dc:creator>ivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 20:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Makeup, to Chuck Armstrong, means &quot;a player who Chuck Armstrong likes.&quot; 

Chuck Armstrong was brought here by George Argyros, who didn&#039;t like players with long hair, because he was a right-wing authoritarian p---k. 

Why should Chuck Armstrong get to meddle in baseball decisions? What does Chuck Armstrong know about talent evaluation? Why is Chuck Armstrong drawing a paycheck from this team?

Chuck Armstrong is as responsible as anyone is for this team&#039;s failure. No positive change occurs until Chuckles the Clown is shown the door.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Makeup, to Chuck Armstrong, means &#8220;a player who Chuck Armstrong likes.&#8221; </p>
<p>Chuck Armstrong was brought here by George Argyros, who didn&#8217;t like players with long hair, because he was a right-wing authoritarian p&#8212;k. </p>
<p>Why should Chuck Armstrong get to meddle in baseball decisions? What does Chuck Armstrong know about talent evaluation? Why is Chuck Armstrong drawing a paycheck from this team?</p>
<p>Chuck Armstrong is as responsible as anyone is for this team&#8217;s failure. No positive change occurs until Chuckles the Clown is shown the door.</p>
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		<title>By: jzalman</title>
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		<dc:creator>jzalman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 19:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a stat for you Chuck:  $2,000,000/W.  That&#039;s 2 million bucks per win man.  A&#039;s are getting theirs for like 1/4 - 1/3 of that.  

Of course, his response would probably be:  &quot;Yeah, it&#039;s bad.  But next time you nerds complain about Vidro, notice that we&#039;re paying him 8.5 Mil, so he&#039;s worth 4.25 wins!  That&#039;s pretty good!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a stat for you Chuck:  $2,000,000/W.  That&#8217;s 2 million bucks per win man.  A&#8217;s are getting theirs for like 1/4 &#8211; 1/3 of that.  </p>
<p>Of course, his response would probably be:  &#8220;Yeah, it&#8217;s bad.  But next time you nerds complain about Vidro, notice that we&#8217;re paying him 8.5 Mil, so he&#8217;s worth 4.25 wins!  That&#8217;s pretty good!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: gwangung</title>
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		<dc:creator>gwangung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 18:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The model that really works is south in Oakland. The owner is absolutely committed to winning, and to staying the hell out of the way of his GM. He was smart enough to insure complete loyalty by giving Billy Beane a piece of ownership. The Aâ€™s have been kicking ass with a $48 million dollar payroll.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And what&#039;s their record been over the past 20 years, Mr. Armstrong? And what&#039;s yours been? And who UNDERSTANDS stats?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The model that really works is south in Oakland. The owner is absolutely committed to winning, and to staying the hell out of the way of his GM. He was smart enough to insure complete loyalty by giving Billy Beane a piece of ownership. The Aâ€™s have been kicking ass with a $48 million dollar payroll.</p></blockquote>
<p>And what&#8217;s their record been over the past 20 years, Mr. Armstrong? And what&#8217;s yours been? And who UNDERSTANDS stats?</p>
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		<title>By: rcc</title>
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		<dc:creator>rcc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 18:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave, I think your analysis is dead on, but your conclusion is suspect.  Armstrong is like many executives.  He thinks he knows what is best for the &quot;Company&quot;, but is too:  take your pick....stupid, stubborn, resistant to new ideas, or willing to admit he has made a mistake.

Armstrong will NOT get out of the way of a new GM, embrace new ideas, or do anything but interfere until he is struck by lightning or a two x four.  Mid-management, which is what a GM is, can not fix upper management that is hell bent on a path of mediocrity.  

I agree that the M&#039;s will play better then they have so far this year, but I also fear that will make the M&#039;s front office conclude that they are on the right track.  In reality as long as fans come through the gates to watch them there will be no change in philosophy because the morons at the top have no incentive to change direction.

The model that really works is south in Oakland.  The owner is absolutely committed to winning, and to staying the hell out of the way of his GM.  He was smart enough to insure complete loyalty by giving Billy Beane a piece of ownership.  The A&#039;s have been kicking ass with a $48 million dollar payroll.  When or IF they get their new ball park they will dominate in the same fashion as Boston.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, I think your analysis is dead on, but your conclusion is suspect.  Armstrong is like many executives.  He thinks he knows what is best for the &#8220;Company&#8221;, but is too:  take your pick&#8230;.stupid, stubborn, resistant to new ideas, or willing to admit he has made a mistake.</p>
<p>Armstrong will NOT get out of the way of a new GM, embrace new ideas, or do anything but interfere until he is struck by lightning or a two x four.  Mid-management, which is what a GM is, can not fix upper management that is hell bent on a path of mediocrity.  </p>
<p>I agree that the M&#8217;s will play better then they have so far this year, but I also fear that will make the M&#8217;s front office conclude that they are on the right track.  In reality as long as fans come through the gates to watch them there will be no change in philosophy because the morons at the top have no incentive to change direction.</p>
<p>The model that really works is south in Oakland.  The owner is absolutely committed to winning, and to staying the hell out of the way of his GM.  He was smart enough to insure complete loyalty by giving Billy Beane a piece of ownership.  The A&#8217;s have been kicking ass with a $48 million dollar payroll.  When or IF they get their new ball park they will dominate in the same fashion as Boston.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Snow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Snow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 18:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is the focus on makeup the reason they&#039;re putting lipstick on this pig?</description>
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		<title>By: gwangung</title>
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		<dc:creator>gwangung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 18:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These kind of quotes make me think that Armstrong and Lincoln do not get it, aren&#039;t getting it and will never get it.

That gives me no hope for their GM search.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These kind of quotes make me think that Armstrong and Lincoln do not get it, aren&#8217;t getting it and will never get it.</p>
<p>That gives me no hope for their GM search.</p>
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