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		<title>By: John D.</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/07/01/hilarious/comment-page-2/#comment-287464</link>
		<dc:creator>John D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 03:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Craig K said: 

How is the type of hit determined in a walkoff like that? Scorerâ€™s discretion?

July 1st, 2008 at 10:38 pm 
2Dave said: 

Last base reached by a batter when the winning run crosses the plate. Game ends as soon as the runner is called safe.
&lt;/em&gt;

Then, if RAUL had been on 3rd, and scored before WILLIE reached first - an RBI, but no hit?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Craig K said: </p>
<p>How is the type of hit determined in a walkoff like that? Scorerâ€™s discretion?</p>
<p>July 1st, 2008 at 10:38 pm<br />
2Dave said: </p>
<p>Last base reached by a batter when the winning run crosses the plate. Game ends as soon as the runner is called safe.<br />
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<p>Then, if RAUL had been on 3rd, and scored before WILLIE reached first &#8211; an RBI, but no hit?</p>
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		<title>By: Red Apple</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/07/01/hilarious/comment-page-2/#comment-287077</link>
		<dc:creator>Red Apple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 19:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Signing WFB to a $4M/2 year extension wouldn&#039;t be a crippling move. But it would be a symptom of a bigger problem -- a front office that doesn&#039;t understand how to value its personnel. Playing him every day, however, would be much worse...really, I&#039;d rather they paid him $2M a year and he sat on the bench than their paying him league minimum and penning his name into the lineup day after day.

No doubt about it -- the M&#039;s obsess over the dumbest things, like &quot;the face of the organization&quot; and a &quot;fan friendly experience.&quot;

Uh...just win, baby.

And by the way -- nice hit, Willie. That had double written all over it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Signing WFB to a $4M/2 year extension wouldn&#8217;t be a crippling move. But it would be a symptom of a bigger problem &#8212; a front office that doesn&#8217;t understand how to value its personnel. Playing him every day, however, would be much worse&#8230;really, I&#8217;d rather they paid him $2M a year and he sat on the bench than their paying him league minimum and penning his name into the lineup day after day.</p>
<p>No doubt about it &#8212; the M&#8217;s obsess over the dumbest things, like &#8220;the face of the organization&#8221; and a &#8220;fan friendly experience.&#8221;</p>
<p>Uh&#8230;just win, baby.</p>
<p>And by the way &#8212; nice hit, Willie. That had double written all over it.</p>
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		<title>By: pgreyy</title>
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		<dc:creator>pgreyy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 19:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If I was making a list of stupid things about the Mariners, Willie wouldnâ€™t be in the top ten.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Right.  He&#039;s a professional baseball player on our team and he&#039;s performing to the best of his abilities.  You can&#039;t have a problem with that.

The problems you can (and I think MUST) have a problem with include:

**Putting Willie in the starting line-up on a regular basis (unless forced to by unfortunate significant injury to a player of starting line-up ability.)

**Constructing a team where Willie is your best option to do anything other than be the 25th player on the bench.

**Elevating Willie&#039;s perceived value versus his true value, exhibiting the poor thought processes that go into putting this team together (in regards to overvaluing unmetricable qualities versus predictive statistical metrics.)

**Feeding into the somewhat dangerous self-perpetuating myths of the fan base (that it&#039;s more important to have guys we love rather than guys who help us win...because the guys we&#039;re supposed to love have local ties, are good guys, really hustle out there, show veteran grit, are scrappy, etc.)

Last night was a perfect Willie storm.  I cheered like a fan last night.  We won the game in dramatic fashion...and that&#039;s always fun.

Today...we wake up to the light of day...and the fact that this team has the same problems it&#039;s had for far too long.  

(PS--I, too, watched very carefully to see if Willie ever touched second base before the mob got to him.  He never did.  It&#039;s like the other players recognized that in a lost season like this one, we need our &quot;in pursuit of Sisler&quot;-type of distraction.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If I was making a list of stupid things about the Mariners, Willie wouldnâ€™t be in the top ten.</p></blockquote>
<p>Right.  He&#8217;s a professional baseball player on our team and he&#8217;s performing to the best of his abilities.  You can&#8217;t have a problem with that.</p>
<p>The problems you can (and I think MUST) have a problem with include:</p>
<p>**Putting Willie in the starting line-up on a regular basis (unless forced to by unfortunate significant injury to a player of starting line-up ability.)</p>
<p>**Constructing a team where Willie is your best option to do anything other than be the 25th player on the bench.</p>
<p>**Elevating Willie&#8217;s perceived value versus his true value, exhibiting the poor thought processes that go into putting this team together (in regards to overvaluing unmetricable qualities versus predictive statistical metrics.)</p>
<p>**Feeding into the somewhat dangerous self-perpetuating myths of the fan base (that it&#8217;s more important to have guys we love rather than guys who help us win&#8230;because the guys we&#8217;re supposed to love have local ties, are good guys, really hustle out there, show veteran grit, are scrappy, etc.)</p>
<p>Last night was a perfect Willie storm.  I cheered like a fan last night.  We won the game in dramatic fashion&#8230;and that&#8217;s always fun.</p>
<p>Today&#8230;we wake up to the light of day&#8230;and the fact that this team has the same problems it&#8217;s had for far too long.  </p>
<p>(PS&#8211;I, too, watched very carefully to see if Willie ever touched second base before the mob got to him.  He never did.  It&#8217;s like the other players recognized that in a lost season like this one, we need our &#8220;in pursuit of Sisler&#8221;-type of distraction.)</p>
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		<title>By: Adam S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 19:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for obsession with seeing Bloomquist fail...  I think he&#039;s symbolizes the Mariners problems as an organization -- the obsession with all sorts of things that don&#039;t help you win baseball games.

WFB has two full seasons worth of at bats in the majors.  He&#039;s proven that he&#039;s a terrible hitter, no matter how much some may deny it.  (He has value on defense and base running and is a fine 25th man on a roster.)  While his short term success helps the Mariners, it also increases the chance that the Mariners start to believe he&#039;s a valuable player and do something stupid like signing him to a $4M/2 year extension or playing him every day.  And both of those things are bad for the Mariners future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for obsession with seeing Bloomquist fail&#8230;  I think he&#8217;s symbolizes the Mariners problems as an organization &#8212; the obsession with all sorts of things that don&#8217;t help you win baseball games.</p>
<p>WFB has two full seasons worth of at bats in the majors.  He&#8217;s proven that he&#8217;s a terrible hitter, no matter how much some may deny it.  (He has value on defense and base running and is a fine 25th man on a roster.)  While his short term success helps the Mariners, it also increases the chance that the Mariners start to believe he&#8217;s a valuable player and do something stupid like signing him to a $4M/2 year extension or playing him every day.  And both of those things are bad for the Mariners future.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 19:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was at the game and had a good look at the play.  Bloomquist and Beltre each ran 3/4 speed to touch the base.  Beltre stopped right on the back and after Ibanez scored headed back toward first.  Bloomquist never made a real try for second.

Rulebook or not, I think common sense says you can&#039;t get a double if you don&#039;t touch second base.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was at the game and had a good look at the play.  Bloomquist and Beltre each ran 3/4 speed to touch the base.  Beltre stopped right on the back and after Ibanez scored headed back toward first.  Bloomquist never made a real try for second.</p>
<p>Rulebook or not, I think common sense says you can&#8217;t get a double if you don&#8217;t touch second base.</p>
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		<title>By: Red Apple</title>
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		<dc:creator>Red Apple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 18:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;My commentary. I donâ€™t know the rulebook, but that hit last night should have been ruled a double. If it hadnâ€™t ended the game it would have been a double, with possibly another base on a fielders choice.&lt;/em&gt;

You&#039;re absolutely right. You don&#039;t know the rulebook.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>My commentary. I donâ€™t know the rulebook, but that hit last night should have been ruled a double. If it hadnâ€™t ended the game it would have been a double, with possibly another base on a fielders choice.</em></p>
<p>You&#8217;re absolutely right. You don&#8217;t know the rulebook.</p>
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		<title>By: deflated</title>
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		<dc:creator>deflated</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 18:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>51: most here don&#039;t have an obsession with seeing Willie fail, they have have an obsession with the number of opportunities Willie gets to fail.  

Occasional late-inning substitutions with a timely hit good.  Regular starts in CF bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>51: most here don&#8217;t have an obsession with seeing Willie fail, they have have an obsession with the number of opportunities Willie gets to fail.  </p>
<p>Occasional late-inning substitutions with a timely hit good.  Regular starts in CF bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim_H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim_H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 18:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is with this obsession to see Willie fail?  

As fans, shouldn&#039;t we be pulling for him succeed?

My commentary.  I don&#039;t know the rulebook, but that hit last night should have been ruled a double.  If it hadn&#039;t ended the game it would have been a double, with possibly another base on a fielders choice.  

Even if he does break the record (which I doubt if he continues to get consistent playing time), it should go in the books with a big fat asterisk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is with this obsession to see Willie fail?  </p>
<p>As fans, shouldn&#8217;t we be pulling for him succeed?</p>
<p>My commentary.  I don&#8217;t know the rulebook, but that hit last night should have been ruled a double.  If it hadn&#8217;t ended the game it would have been a double, with possibly another base on a fielders choice.  </p>
<p>Even if he does break the record (which I doubt if he continues to get consistent playing time), it should go in the books with a big fat asterisk.</p>
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		<title>By: killer_ewok18</title>
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		<dc:creator>killer_ewok18</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 18:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even Willie Bloomquist can&#039;t save the Mariners season with a walk-off win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even Willie Bloomquist can&#8217;t save the Mariners season with a walk-off win.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Nye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Nye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 18:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As much as I give him grief, Willie Bloomquist is by far not the largest problem on the 2008 Mariners.

He wouldn&#039;t crack my top ten either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As much as I give him grief, Willie Bloomquist is by far not the largest problem on the 2008 Mariners.</p>
<p>He wouldn&#8217;t crack my top ten either.</p>
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