Comments on: Bloomquist and Bloomquist Light http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/07/03/bloomquist-and-bloomquist-light/ Seattle Mariners blog and general baseball discussion Fri, 10 Feb 2012 01:19:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Ralph_Malph http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/07/03/bloomquist-and-bloomquist-light/comment-page-1/#comment-287326 Ralph_Malph Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:47:35 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=5440#comment-287326 Vidro is a "professional hitter". Bloomquist is a "scrappy white supersub". Cairo is a "wily veteran". Sexson is a "big slugger who can hit a ball a country mile". These lineups aren't based on ability or likely results -- they're based on pigeonholes. Vidro is a “professional hitter”. Bloomquist is a “scrappy white supersub”. Cairo is a “wily veteran”. Sexson is a “big slugger who can hit a ball a country mile”. These lineups aren’t based on ability or likely results — they’re based on pigeonholes.

]]> By: Breadbaker http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/07/03/bloomquist-and-bloomquist-light/comment-page-1/#comment-287318 Breadbaker Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:10:11 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=5440#comment-287318 9: That's useful information. But going back years, the M's have always based lineups on who can't do what, rather than who should. Jay Buhner didn't perform well when batting fourth, so he basically was never in the lineup at cleanup. Now Lopez has "failed" (a la Clement and Wlad) in small sample size while batting third, so since the rules of baseball require someone to bat after the no. 2 hitter, they stick in "proven" Vidro. And bunt with him in the early innings. Of course, I'd have expect Cairo to be batting third tonight. 9: That’s useful information. But going back years, the M’s have always based lineups on who can’t do what, rather than who should. Jay Buhner didn’t perform well when batting fourth, so he basically was never in the lineup at cleanup. Now Lopez has “failed” (a la Clement and Wlad) in small sample size while batting third, so since the rules of baseball require someone to bat after the no. 2 hitter, they stick in “proven” Vidro. And bunt with him in the early innings.

Of course, I’d have expect Cairo to be batting third tonight.

]]> By: don52656 http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/07/03/bloomquist-and-bloomquist-light/comment-page-1/#comment-287313 don52656 Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:48:39 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=5440#comment-287313 Twilight Zone baseball lineups: To date: Willie Bloomquist OPS+ = 75 Jose Vidro OPS+ = 62 Willie has no extra base hits and has managed a significantly better OPS+ so far this year. The kicker: Vidro has started 58 games this year, his peak BA occurred on 5/25 when he reached .239. His position in the batting order: 2nd-4 games 3rd-16 games 4th- 5 games 5th- 23 games 6th- 1 game 7th- 9 games Twilight Zone baseball lineups:

To date: Willie Bloomquist OPS+ = 75 Jose Vidro OPS+ = 62

Willie has no extra base hits and has managed a significantly better OPS+ so far this year.

The kicker: Vidro has started 58 games this year, his peak BA occurred on 5/25 when he reached .239. His position in the batting order:

2nd-4 games
3rd-16 games
4th- 5 games
5th- 23 games
6th- 1 game
7th- 9 games

]]> By: wabbles http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/07/03/bloomquist-and-bloomquist-light/comment-page-1/#comment-287311 wabbles Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:39:59 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=5440#comment-287311 Maybe WFB isn't getting more doubles despite his speed because he's not scrappy? 'The peasants recoil in shock and horror from the infidel, mumuring and pointing.' Maybe WFB isn’t getting more doubles despite his speed because he’s not scrappy? ‘The peasants recoil in shock and horror from the infidel, mumuring and pointing.’

]]> By: RoninX http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/07/03/bloomquist-and-bloomquist-light/comment-page-1/#comment-287310 RoninX Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:25:47 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=5440#comment-287310 So, have we been wrong all year? Is Willy Ballgame actually "Cairo Light" (which sounds like a cigarette for some reason). Or, Is Cairo actually Bloomquist Heavy? So, have we been wrong all year? Is Willy Ballgame actually “Cairo Light” (which sounds like a cigarette for some reason). Or, Is Cairo actually Bloomquist Heavy?

]]> By: Jeff Nye http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/07/03/bloomquist-and-bloomquist-light/comment-page-1/#comment-287309 Jeff Nye Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:21:51 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=5440#comment-287309 Yeah, he runs reasonably well (although not quite as well as some people think); you'd think he'd get a leg-it-out double on a fairly routine basis, at least. It really is just strange. Yeah, he runs reasonably well (although not quite as well as some people think); you’d think he’d get a leg-it-out double on a fairly routine basis, at least.

It really is just strange.

]]> By: after4ever http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/07/03/bloomquist-and-bloomquist-light/comment-page-1/#comment-287308 after4ever Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:03:26 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=5440#comment-287308 I guess Bloomquist's admirable foot speed either semi-moots my point in 4 or it isolates his lack of XBH to wrist speed. He has *enough* bulk to hit some line shots to the corners that someone as fast as he could leg out to 2nd or 3rd. "Fast as he" being key...I mean, Edgar led the majors in doubles for a while without exactly opening holes in spacetime on the basepaths. I guess Bloomquist’s admirable foot speed either semi-moots my point in 4 or it isolates his lack of XBH to wrist speed.

He has *enough* bulk to hit some line shots to the corners that someone as fast as he could leg out to 2nd or 3rd.

“Fast as he” being key…I mean, Edgar led the majors in doubles for a while without exactly opening holes in spacetime on the basepaths.

]]> By: after4ever http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/07/03/bloomquist-and-bloomquist-light/comment-page-1/#comment-287307 after4ever Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:00:25 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=5440#comment-287307 It's not so much about having the back to put into it as it is the wrist speed and foot speed: turning on balls, hitting 'em where they ain't, legging 'em out, beating out more throws. Look at Griffey. He's obviously the next weight class up, and 15 or 20 talent classes up. But compare him to his peers. Most of the longball hitters of his generation pack 20-40 pounds more muscle through their upper legs, core, and upper body. But Griff's The Natural; he knows right where the ball will be in a split second and right where the bat will be in a split second, so he hits a frillion line drives. Compare that to McGwire and Thomas and even Bonds; Bonds hit more HR per AB or PA than anybody, ever, for a couple years, but, really, the line drive machine of the 90s and 00s is Griff. What was the question? lol It’s not so much about having the back to put into it as it is the wrist speed and foot speed: turning on balls, hitting ‘em where they ain’t, legging ‘em out, beating out more throws.

Look at Griffey. He’s obviously the next weight class up, and 15 or 20 talent classes up. But compare him to his peers. Most of the longball hitters of his generation pack 20-40 pounds more muscle through their upper legs, core, and upper body.

But Griff’s The Natural; he knows right where the ball will be in a split second and right where the bat will be in a split second, so he hits a frillion line drives.

Compare that to McGwire and Thomas and even Bonds; Bonds hit more HR per AB or PA than anybody, ever, for a couple years, but, really, the line drive machine of the 90s and 00s is Griff.

What was the question? lol

]]> By: bakomariner http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/07/03/bloomquist-and-bloomquist-light/comment-page-1/#comment-287306 bakomariner Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:45:56 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=5440#comment-287306 In contrast, Pedroia had 4 XBH last night...HR, Triple, 2 Doubles...if only he could have gotten gritty like WFB he would have hit for the cycle... In his defense, the last hit was his second double...I'm sure if they weren't behind the Rays at that late point in the game, he would have stopped at 1B. In contrast, Pedroia had 4 XBH last night…HR, Triple, 2 Doubles…if only he could have gotten gritty like WFB he would have hit for the cycle…

In his defense, the last hit was his second double…I’m sure if they weren’t behind the Rays at that late point in the game, he would have stopped at 1B.

]]> By: Jeff Nye http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/07/03/bloomquist-and-bloomquist-light/comment-page-1/#comment-287305 Jeff Nye Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:24:08 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=5440#comment-287305 The bizarre thing about his total lack of power is that while he's not Richie Sexson or anything, he's a decent sized guy. MLB lists him at 5'11", 195 pounds. Ichiro, by way of contrast, is listed at 5'9", 160 pounds...and has 16 extra base hits just this season. Willie's lifetime SLG is .324; Ichiro's is .432. The bizarre thing about his total lack of power is that while he’s not Richie Sexson or anything, he’s a decent sized guy.

MLB lists him at 5’11″, 195 pounds.

Ichiro, by way of contrast, is listed at 5’9″, 160 pounds…and has 16 extra base hits just this season.

Willie’s lifetime SLG is .324; Ichiro’s is .432.

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