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		<title>By: Jeff Nye</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/07/09/when-access-is-dentrimental-to-the-truth/comment-page-1/#comment-288694</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Nye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 20:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Gag me.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Like, oh my god!

*runs away*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Gag me.</p></blockquote>
<p>Like, oh my god!</p>
<p>*runs away*</p>
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		<title>By: skyking162</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/07/09/when-access-is-dentrimental-to-the-truth/comment-page-1/#comment-288693</link>
		<dc:creator>skyking162</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 20:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do people give pitchers credit for being a solid 4th or 5th starter?  Thats like saying a second baseman is solid because he is the 20th best in the league.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do people give pitchers credit for being a solid 4th or 5th starter?  Thats like saying a second baseman is solid because he is the 20th best in the league.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/07/09/when-access-is-dentrimental-to-the-truth/comment-page-1/#comment-288692</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 20:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People use that &quot;career #s&quot; fallacy when they explain why they want their favorite Yankees player (yes, you Yankee fans) like Jason Giambi voted onto the All-Star Team this year; 
or why a spectacular 1st-half by a rookie should be ignored in favor of more &quot;popular&quot; veterans; 
or why there should be more (fill in team name) players than (fill in team name) players on that AS roster; 
or why (fill in name) should be the MVP rather than (fill in name).

Gag me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People use that &#8220;career #s&#8221; fallacy when they explain why they want their favorite Yankees player (yes, you Yankee fans) like Jason Giambi voted onto the All-Star Team this year;<br />
or why a spectacular 1st-half by a rookie should be ignored in favor of more &#8220;popular&#8221; veterans;<br />
or why there should be more (fill in team name) players than (fill in team name) players on that AS roster;<br />
or why (fill in name) should be the MVP rather than (fill in name).</p>
<p>Gag me.</p>
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		<title>By: Xteve X</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/07/09/when-access-is-dentrimental-to-the-truth/comment-page-1/#comment-288663</link>
		<dc:creator>Xteve X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 19:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I was looking at his career #s.&quot;

Yeah, because what a guy did three or four years ago in a totally different park or in some cases a completely different league is completely relevant to what he&#039;s doing now. 

That Willie Bloomquist sure is a hell of a hitter AuburnM! Did you know that three years ago he hit .455/.526/.576?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I was looking at his career #s.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah, because what a guy did three or four years ago in a totally different park or in some cases a completely different league is completely relevant to what he&#8217;s doing now. </p>
<p>That Willie Bloomquist sure is a hell of a hitter AuburnM! Did you know that three years ago he hit .455/.526/.576?</p>
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		<title>By: gps</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/07/09/when-access-is-dentrimental-to-the-truth/comment-page-1/#comment-288632</link>
		<dc:creator>gps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 18:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The guyâ€™s a reporter and not an analyst.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Heâ€™s not reporting, though. Heâ€™s trying to be an analyst, and heâ€™s trying very hard; heâ€™s just very bad at it.

If he wants to be â€œjust a reporterâ€, he should stick to that; but he canâ€™t throw out half-assed attempts at analysis and then hide behind â€œjust a reporterâ€ when people call him out on the stupid things he says.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Amen. Interestingly David Postman, politics reporter/blogger for the &lt;em&gt;Times&lt;/em&gt;, writes occasionally about the traditional view of the reporter as someone who simply writes down the quotes accurately, versus the notion of the reporter as expert analyst. In our context, who better to have a chance to become an expert analyst than someone who sees every game and travels with the team, and has the luxury of being able to read USSM daily at work and chalk it up to research? 

And, yes, who cares if the players don&#039;t talk to you? Tom Paciorek may have been the last really interesting M&#039;s interview! And there&#039;s little likelihood the club will pull a reporters credential for being critical. The club is more in need of the coverage, and, according to the old PR advice, one should never pick a quarrel with someone who buys ink by the barrel. 

I enjoyed Baker for a while, but now he just seems like a whiner about all the mean bloggers who disagree with him. Alas. With a season like this, we could use J. Michael Kenyon to liven things up a bit....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote>The guyâ€™s a reporter and not an analyst.</p></blockquote>
<p>Heâ€™s not reporting, though. Heâ€™s trying to be an analyst, and heâ€™s trying very hard; heâ€™s just very bad at it.</p>
<p>If he wants to be â€œjust a reporterâ€, he should stick to that; but he canâ€™t throw out half-assed attempts at analysis and then hide behind â€œjust a reporterâ€ when people call him out on the stupid things he says.</p></blockquote>
<p>Amen. Interestingly David Postman, politics reporter/blogger for the <em>Times</em>, writes occasionally about the traditional view of the reporter as someone who simply writes down the quotes accurately, versus the notion of the reporter as expert analyst. In our context, who better to have a chance to become an expert analyst than someone who sees every game and travels with the team, and has the luxury of being able to read USSM daily at work and chalk it up to research? </p>
<p>And, yes, who cares if the players don&#8217;t talk to you? Tom Paciorek may have been the last really interesting M&#8217;s interview! And there&#8217;s little likelihood the club will pull a reporters credential for being critical. The club is more in need of the coverage, and, according to the old PR advice, one should never pick a quarrel with someone who buys ink by the barrel. </p>
<p>I enjoyed Baker for a while, but now he just seems like a whiner about all the mean bloggers who disagree with him. Alas. With a season like this, we could use J. Michael Kenyon to liven things up a bit&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Nye</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/07/09/when-access-is-dentrimental-to-the-truth/comment-page-1/#comment-288619</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Nye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 18:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I sympathize with the frustration when people keep bringing up things like ERA and WHIP as if they have analytical value, let&#039;s not have a big dustup about it in this thread, please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I sympathize with the frustration when people keep bringing up things like ERA and WHIP as if they have analytical value, let&#8217;s not have a big dustup about it in this thread, please.</p>
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		<title>By: NODO Dweller</title>
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		<dc:creator>NODO Dweller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 17:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AuburnM - 

You clearly have no interest in understanding anything other than the ERA, WHIP, etc metrics you already know.  This is clear by reading most of your posts over the last several months.  Why do you keep coming back when you have no interest in any of the advanced metrics which this site is dedicated to?  Are you just a better-than-average spoken troll, or just like being contrarian?

Which career numbers are you looking at - ERA/WHIP?  If so, it&#039;s just one more example of you being unable/unwilling to understand.  Neither of these are very good for: 

1) Evaluating a pitcher, as the rest of the defense and a host of other factors contribute to them
2) Future performance

Take a look at the post about Silve when he was aquired to see all the very good reasons why you&#039;re wrong (he&#039;s a #5 at best) and shouldn&#039;t be happy about him being on the team going forward (he&#039;s expensive and bad).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AuburnM &#8211; </p>
<p>You clearly have no interest in understanding anything other than the ERA, WHIP, etc metrics you already know.  This is clear by reading most of your posts over the last several months.  Why do you keep coming back when you have no interest in any of the advanced metrics which this site is dedicated to?  Are you just a better-than-average spoken troll, or just like being contrarian?</p>
<p>Which career numbers are you looking at &#8211; ERA/WHIP?  If so, it&#8217;s just one more example of you being unable/unwilling to understand.  Neither of these are very good for: </p>
<p>1) Evaluating a pitcher, as the rest of the defense and a host of other factors contribute to them<br />
2) Future performance</p>
<p>Take a look at the post about Silve when he was aquired to see all the very good reasons why you&#8217;re wrong (he&#8217;s a #5 at best) and shouldn&#8217;t be happy about him being on the team going forward (he&#8217;s expensive and bad).</p>
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		<title>By: AuburnM</title>
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		<dc:creator>AuburnM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 16:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was looking at his career #s.

The guys is 28 years old.  I think he is going to be our 3rd or 4th starter for the next few years and I am totally fine with that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was looking at his career #s.</p>
<p>The guys is 28 years old.  I think he is going to be our 3rd or 4th starter for the next few years and I am totally fine with that.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve T</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/07/09/when-access-is-dentrimental-to-the-truth/comment-page-1/#comment-288589</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 16:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, that must have been sarcasm, because Silva has the worst ERA of any pitcher in the league, and the eighth-worst WHIP. So, yeah, &quot;bad&quot; is the word you want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, that must have been sarcasm, because Silva has the worst ERA of any pitcher in the league, and the eighth-worst WHIP. So, yeah, &#8220;bad&#8221; is the word you want.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Nye</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/07/09/when-access-is-dentrimental-to-the-truth/comment-page-1/#comment-288586</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Nye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 16:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Silva â€œa bad pitcher?â€ Really? Isnâ€™t it more accurate to say that he is a solid back of the rotation guy who the Ms squandered too much money on? His WHIP and ERA numbers donâ€™t look â€œbadâ€ to me.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m not even going to address the use of WHIP/ERA, since by now people either get that or they don&#039;t.

But your description of Silva might have been accurate if the Mariners had the 2007 version of Silva; now that his sinker (which was the only thing that brought him UP to that level) isn&#039;t sinking anymore, he just plain sucks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Silva â€œa bad pitcher?â€ Really? Isnâ€™t it more accurate to say that he is a solid back of the rotation guy who the Ms squandered too much money on? His WHIP and ERA numbers donâ€™t look â€œbadâ€ to me.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m not even going to address the use of WHIP/ERA, since by now people either get that or they don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>But your description of Silva might have been accurate if the Mariners had the 2007 version of Silva; now that his sinker (which was the only thing that brought him UP to that level) isn&#8217;t sinking anymore, he just plain sucks.</p>
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