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		<title>By: Karen</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/07/18/beltre-busts-out-the-walking-stick/comment-page-1/#comment-291203</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It kinda ticked me off to hear Softy Mahler say about a half hour ago that a proposed deal to trade Adrian Beltre to the Minnesota Twins fell through because the M&#039;s wanted a deal like the one for Joe Blanton, but the Twins don&#039;t have any prospects that measure up to the M&#039;s criteria.

Well, gee whiz, why don&#039;t we trade Adrian to them with a couple of prospects of our own, for 3 PTBNL?  (I really hate giving the M&#039;s front office any ideas for dumb and dumber deals, but I had to throw that one out there)

I mean, who needs Adrian&#039;s defense, when the pitching is so &lt;strike&gt;s...ty&lt;/strike&gt; crummy?

Oh, yeah, what&#039;s the plan for the immediate future if this deal went through?  Put Miguel Cairo at 3B?  Leave the bag empty, hope Yuni can increase his range a little, and let Raul field anything that gets past Yuni?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It kinda ticked me off to hear Softy Mahler say about a half hour ago that a proposed deal to trade Adrian Beltre to the Minnesota Twins fell through because the M&#8217;s wanted a deal like the one for Joe Blanton, but the Twins don&#8217;t have any prospects that measure up to the M&#8217;s criteria.</p>
<p>Well, gee whiz, why don&#8217;t we trade Adrian to them with a couple of prospects of our own, for 3 PTBNL?  (I really hate giving the M&#8217;s front office any ideas for dumb and dumber deals, but I had to throw that one out there)</p>
<p>I mean, who needs Adrian&#8217;s defense, when the pitching is so <strike>s&#8230;ty</strike> crummy?</p>
<p>Oh, yeah, what&#8217;s the plan for the immediate future if this deal went through?  Put Miguel Cairo at 3B?  Leave the bag empty, hope Yuni can increase his range a little, and let Raul field anything that gets past Yuni?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Nye</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/07/18/beltre-busts-out-the-walking-stick/comment-page-1/#comment-290991</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Nye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 00:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;By trading these players and receiving a good return the Mâ€™s can get back to winning baseball games faster than by keeping them.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Like Graham said, what&#039;s your plan for replacing these players&#039; production?

In Beltre&#039;s specific case, let&#039;s not make the infield defense any worse, please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>By trading these players and receiving a good return the Mâ€™s can get back to winning baseball games faster than by keeping them.</p></blockquote>
<p>Like Graham said, what&#8217;s your plan for replacing these players&#8217; production?</p>
<p>In Beltre&#8217;s specific case, let&#8217;s not make the infield defense any worse, please.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/07/18/beltre-busts-out-the-walking-stick/comment-page-1/#comment-290990</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 00:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;By trading these players and receiving a good return the Mâ€™s can get back to winning baseball games faster than by keeping them.&lt;/i&gt;

How?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>By trading these players and receiving a good return the Mâ€™s can get back to winning baseball games faster than by keeping them.</i></p>
<p>How?</p>
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		<title>By: Replacement Level Blogger</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/07/18/beltre-busts-out-the-walking-stick/comment-page-1/#comment-290989</link>
		<dc:creator>Replacement Level Blogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 23:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good call Finks, however with that knowledge I would still be hesitant to backload certain contracts because of the cost-benefit situation. As the cost-benefit for a player gets more skewed to the negative the harder it is to shed the contract (example: Sexson, Richie).

Adrian Beltre is a very good player who is a solid piece to a puzzle...just not the Mariners puzzle. He is an outstanding defensive thirdbaseman with a reasonable contract entering the prime of his career. Why trade this player? Because the M&#039;s have too many holes and not enough quality players.

The same goes for Putz and Bedard. Why trade these guys? They are quality players that can contribute to a quality team for a reasonable salary. The M&#039;s should trade these guys because they can bring back returns that will make this team better.

With these players the M&#039;s are a well below average team. By trading these players and receiving a good return the M&#039;s can get back to winning baseball games faster than by keeping them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good call Finks, however with that knowledge I would still be hesitant to backload certain contracts because of the cost-benefit situation. As the cost-benefit for a player gets more skewed to the negative the harder it is to shed the contract (example: Sexson, Richie).</p>
<p>Adrian Beltre is a very good player who is a solid piece to a puzzle&#8230;just not the Mariners puzzle. He is an outstanding defensive thirdbaseman with a reasonable contract entering the prime of his career. Why trade this player? Because the M&#8217;s have too many holes and not enough quality players.</p>
<p>The same goes for Putz and Bedard. Why trade these guys? They are quality players that can contribute to a quality team for a reasonable salary. The M&#8217;s should trade these guys because they can bring back returns that will make this team better.</p>
<p>With these players the M&#8217;s are a well below average team. By trading these players and receiving a good return the M&#8217;s can get back to winning baseball games faster than by keeping them.</p>
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		<title>By: galaxieboi</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/07/18/beltre-busts-out-the-walking-stick/comment-page-1/#comment-290972</link>
		<dc:creator>galaxieboi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;the backloading of Richieâ€™s deal &lt;/em&gt;

This is a huge pet peeve of mine, contractualy speaking.  Not only are you setting yourself up for a massively bloated payroll in 3, 4 or 5 years, but by the time you sign a free agent those 5th years at $18M are looking ugly.  

I mean, if you front loaded some and back loaded others it might make since.  Why not pay Player X like this- Year 1: $22M, Year 2: $18M, Year 3: $12M, ect..  This way your actually paying for the skills and production you&#039;d be receiving.  Duh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>the backloading of Richieâ€™s deal </em></p>
<p>This is a huge pet peeve of mine, contractualy speaking.  Not only are you setting yourself up for a massively bloated payroll in 3, 4 or 5 years, but by the time you sign a free agent those 5th years at $18M are looking ugly.  </p>
<p>I mean, if you front loaded some and back loaded others it might make since.  Why not pay Player X like this- Year 1: $22M, Year 2: $18M, Year 3: $12M, ect..  This way your actually paying for the skills and production you&#8217;d be receiving.  Duh.</p>
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		<title>By: joser</title>
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		<dc:creator>joser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 20:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Itâ€™s kind of wacky to think that just a few years ago some of us thought that Sexson would end up being a better signing than Beltre.&lt;/i&gt;

I remember having a back-and-forth with a couple of guys in a bar right after the two were signed.  They were absolutely pumped about Sexson but pretty dubious about Beltre -- in part because they thought Dodgers stadium might be more hitter-friendly than Safeco, something I wasn&#039;t willing to challenge without a trip to a reference source.  But I was arguing for Beltre over Sexson, because of Beltre&#039;s defense -- 3B being a hole for the team only a little less perennial than left field -- and also because Sexson&#039;s freakish shoulder injury left me uncertain about his durability.  Most of my knowledge of Beltre at the time was based on what I read at USSM, and I had already come to the conclusion that Beltre was the better deal.  As it turns out durability wasn&#039;t Sexson&#039;s problem (and this year it has been Beltre&#039;s to some extent) but it was obvious even then that the backloading of Richie&#039;s deal was going to lead to regrets in the last couple of years of his contract, even if he kept hitting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Itâ€™s kind of wacky to think that just a few years ago some of us thought that Sexson would end up being a better signing than Beltre.</i></p>
<p>I remember having a back-and-forth with a couple of guys in a bar right after the two were signed.  They were absolutely pumped about Sexson but pretty dubious about Beltre &#8212; in part because they thought Dodgers stadium might be more hitter-friendly than Safeco, something I wasn&#8217;t willing to challenge without a trip to a reference source.  But I was arguing for Beltre over Sexson, because of Beltre&#8217;s defense &#8212; 3B being a hole for the team only a little less perennial than left field &#8212; and also because Sexson&#8217;s freakish shoulder injury left me uncertain about his durability.  Most of my knowledge of Beltre at the time was based on what I read at USSM, and I had already come to the conclusion that Beltre was the better deal.  As it turns out durability wasn&#8217;t Sexson&#8217;s problem (and this year it has been Beltre&#8217;s to some extent) but it was obvious even then that the backloading of Richie&#8217;s deal was going to lead to regrets in the last couple of years of his contract, even if he kept hitting.</p>
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		<title>By: edgar for mayor</title>
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		<dc:creator>edgar for mayor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 19:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I have been waiting for Fans to figure out that he is good...I&#039;m still waiting. So, are we goignt to extend my favorite player on this team or what?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I have been waiting for Fans to figure out that he is good&#8230;I&#8217;m still waiting. So, are we goignt to extend my favorite player on this team or what?</p>
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		<title>By: DMZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>DMZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 19:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So is the argument there that no other good hitters in the lineup means more walks because there&#039;s no protection for Beltre?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So is the argument there that no other good hitters in the lineup means more walks because there&#8217;s no protection for Beltre?</p>
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		<title>By: cody</title>
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		<dc:creator>cody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 19:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s kind of wacky to think that just a few years ago some of us thought that Sexson would end up being a better signing than Beltre. Well, at least I was thinking that.  
FO- Keep Beltre around. I know you may not think that he hustles enough or something like that, but he&#039;s better than the &quot;hustlers&quot; like Jose Vidro. Or Willie Bloomquist. Or Raul Ibenez. Or Miguel Cairo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s kind of wacky to think that just a few years ago some of us thought that Sexson would end up being a better signing than Beltre. Well, at least I was thinking that.<br />
FO- Keep Beltre around. I know you may not think that he hustles enough or something like that, but he&#8217;s better than the &#8220;hustlers&#8221; like Jose Vidro. Or Willie Bloomquist. Or Raul Ibenez. Or Miguel Cairo.</p>
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		<title>By: jalopy37</title>
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		<dc:creator>jalopy37</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 17:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not arguing against Beltre&#039;s value, but the fact his walk total has already surpassed his last few seasons is more a direct result of having no one other than Ibanez (who generally hits above Adrian in the batting order) in that batting order than it is a symbol of Adrian&#039;s new and awesome approach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not arguing against Beltre&#8217;s value, but the fact his walk total has already surpassed his last few seasons is more a direct result of having no one other than Ibanez (who generally hits above Adrian in the batting order) in that batting order than it is a symbol of Adrian&#8217;s new and awesome approach.</p>
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