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		<title>By: galaxieboi</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/07/27/game-104-mariners-at-blue-jays/comment-page-3/#comment-292734</link>
		<dc:creator>galaxieboi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t get it.  So what, even if Bedard is an asshole, who really cares?  Brett Meyers is still pitching in Philadelphia after knocking his wife around a couple seasons ago right before a game.  He certainly isn&#039;t the first player to bristle at the approach of a sports &quot;journalist&quot;.  

Erik Bedard is a pitcher of excellent caliber, when he&#039;s healthy.  But, we knew he had health issues didn&#039;t we?  We knew he wasn&#039;t friendly with the media, didn&#039;t we?  Nothing that&#039;s happened to him or how he&#039;s &#039;behaved&#039; this season should suprise anyone with half a brain.  If the team is shocked &lt;strong&gt;SHOCKED&lt;/strong&gt; that Bedard is terse and injury-prone, well...**** them.  I knew it.  Dave knew it.  Derek knew it.  Joser knew it.  MSB knew it.  We ALL knew it.  To rail on him now is lazy journalism and fan ignorance.  Bedard is a solution to the M&#039;s problems, not a cause.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t get it.  So what, even if Bedard is an asshole, who really cares?  Brett Meyers is still pitching in Philadelphia after knocking his wife around a couple seasons ago right before a game.  He certainly isn&#8217;t the first player to bristle at the approach of a sports &#8220;journalist&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Erik Bedard is a pitcher of excellent caliber, when he&#8217;s healthy.  But, we knew he had health issues didn&#8217;t we?  We knew he wasn&#8217;t friendly with the media, didn&#8217;t we?  Nothing that&#8217;s happened to him or how he&#8217;s &#8216;behaved&#8217; this season should suprise anyone with half a brain.  If the team is shocked <strong>SHOCKED</strong> that Bedard is terse and injury-prone, well&#8230;**** them.  I knew it.  Dave knew it.  Derek knew it.  Joser knew it.  MSB knew it.  We ALL knew it.  To rail on him now is lazy journalism and fan ignorance.  Bedard is a solution to the M&#8217;s problems, not a cause.</p>
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		<title>By: aaron c.</title>
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		<dc:creator>aaron c.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Didnâ€™t you hear about Softyâ€™s buddy who tried to talk to Bedard the other day, off the record, just to get an update on his progress from â€œthe horseâ€™s mouthâ€? The guy barely opened his mouth when Bedard started ranting at him â€” a little more longwinded than terse â€” saying he wasnâ€™t having any problems except from â€œyou guysâ€ â€” the guy had never even spoken to Bedard before, and it was off the recordâ€¦until the rant, anyway. The guy came back rather crestfallen and told Softy about it, and Softy went ballistic on the air.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

At the risk of sounding insensitive, I couldn&#039;t really care any less whether or not Softy&#039;s pal had his feelings hurt by Erik Bedard. His job is to play baseball. The media doesn&#039;t like him because they think he&#039;s a jerk, and so they&#039;re exceptionally hard on him. This whole line of thinking about Bedard being a wimp for not pitching through injuries is directly related to how the media portrays him. If you want to think he&#039;s a jerk, that&#039;s fine, but how you feel about him personally should not at all relate to how you feel about him as a baseball player.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Didnâ€™t you hear about Softyâ€™s buddy who tried to talk to Bedard the other day, off the record, just to get an update on his progress from â€œthe horseâ€™s mouthâ€? The guy barely opened his mouth when Bedard started ranting at him â€” a little more longwinded than terse â€” saying he wasnâ€™t having any problems except from â€œyou guysâ€ â€” the guy had never even spoken to Bedard before, and it was off the recordâ€¦until the rant, anyway. The guy came back rather crestfallen and told Softy about it, and Softy went ballistic on the air.</p></blockquote>
<p>At the risk of sounding insensitive, I couldn&#8217;t really care any less whether or not Softy&#8217;s pal had his feelings hurt by Erik Bedard. His job is to play baseball. The media doesn&#8217;t like him because they think he&#8217;s a jerk, and so they&#8217;re exceptionally hard on him. This whole line of thinking about Bedard being a wimp for not pitching through injuries is directly related to how the media portrays him. If you want to think he&#8217;s a jerk, that&#8217;s fine, but how you feel about him personally should not at all relate to how you feel about him as a baseball player.</p>
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		<title>By: msb</title>
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		<dc:creator>msb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Didnâ€™t you hear about Softyâ€™s buddy who tried to talk to Bedard the other day, off the record, just to get an update on his progress from â€œthe horseâ€™s mouthâ€? The guy barely opened his mouth when Bedard started ranting at him â€” a little more longwinded than terse â€” saying he wasnâ€™t having any problems except from â€œyou guysâ€ â€” the guy had never even spoken to Bedard before, and it was off the recordâ€¦until the rant, anyway. The guy came back rather crestfallen and told Softy about it, and Softy went ballistic on the air.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

well, actually, no. One reason some of us feel the media has gone a bit overboard on Bedard.

Puckett is KJR&#039;s Mariners reporter; he is over there every day when they are in town. He&#039;s spoken with Bedard before. 

Puckett had his own (off-hand) account of the event online just after it happened, and later on air admitted he asked Bedard about 3 or 4 times how he was, trying different ways to get something out of him, before Bedard answered back, not ranting, just pissy. this is what he posted at the time, at the end of a longer daily report:

&quot;Speaking of Bedard....I thought it would be a good idea to go up and chat with him today about how he&#039;s doing health wise and whether or not he&#039;s concerned with his name being mentioned in trade rumors.  Bedard was very short in his responses to my questions about how he&#039;s feeling, he continued to reply that, &quot;I&#039;m day-to-day.&quot;  

However, when I asked him about how frustrating this season as been, Bedard echoed frustration about his play and how the media.  &quot;Very frustrating season.  But, it&#039;s especially frustrating dealing with you guys.  You guys are the worst.&quot;  Then Bedard walked off to the dining room.  Oh joy!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Didnâ€™t you hear about Softyâ€™s buddy who tried to talk to Bedard the other day, off the record, just to get an update on his progress from â€œthe horseâ€™s mouthâ€? The guy barely opened his mouth when Bedard started ranting at him â€” a little more longwinded than terse â€” saying he wasnâ€™t having any problems except from â€œyou guysâ€ â€” the guy had never even spoken to Bedard before, and it was off the recordâ€¦until the rant, anyway. The guy came back rather crestfallen and told Softy about it, and Softy went ballistic on the air.</p></blockquote>
<p>well, actually, no. One reason some of us feel the media has gone a bit overboard on Bedard.</p>
<p>Puckett is KJR&#8217;s Mariners reporter; he is over there every day when they are in town. He&#8217;s spoken with Bedard before. </p>
<p>Puckett had his own (off-hand) account of the event online just after it happened, and later on air admitted he asked Bedard about 3 or 4 times how he was, trying different ways to get something out of him, before Bedard answered back, not ranting, just pissy. this is what he posted at the time, at the end of a longer daily report:</p>
<p>&#8220;Speaking of Bedard&#8230;.I thought it would be a good idea to go up and chat with him today about how he&#8217;s doing health wise and whether or not he&#8217;s concerned with his name being mentioned in trade rumors.  Bedard was very short in his responses to my questions about how he&#8217;s feeling, he continued to reply that, &#8220;I&#8217;m day-to-day.&#8221;  </p>
<p>However, when I asked him about how frustrating this season as been, Bedard echoed frustration about his play and how the media.  &#8220;Very frustrating season.  But, it&#8217;s especially frustrating dealing with you guys.  You guys are the worst.&#8221;  Then Bedard walked off to the dining room.  Oh joy!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 03:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had to look up &quot;terse&quot; in the dictionary to be sure of what you meant, aaron c.  You&#039;re partly right about that: &lt;em&gt; (Ex:  &quot;short, brusque Ex: &#039;dismissed me with a terse â€œno&#039; &quot;)&lt;/em&gt;   -- at least, from what I&#039;ve heard and read of his encounters with the Seattle media up to a couple of days ago.

Didn&#039;t you hear about Softy&#039;s buddy who tried to talk to Bedard the other day, off the record, just to get an update on his progress from &quot;the horse&#039;s mouth&quot;?  The guy barely opened his mouth when Bedard started ranting at him -- a little more longwinded than terse -- saying he wasn&#039;t having any problems except from &quot;you guys&quot; -- the guy had never even spoken to Bedard before, and it was off the record...until the rant, anyway.  The guy came back rather crestfallen and told Softy about it, and Softy went ballistic on the air.

I guess that REALLY tears it, as far as Bedard is concerned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had to look up &#8220;terse&#8221; in the dictionary to be sure of what you meant, aaron c.  You&#8217;re partly right about that: <em> (Ex:  &#8220;short, brusque Ex: &#8216;dismissed me with a terse â€œno&#8217; &#8220;)</em>   &#8212; at least, from what I&#8217;ve heard and read of his encounters with the Seattle media up to a couple of days ago.</p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t you hear about Softy&#8217;s buddy who tried to talk to Bedard the other day, off the record, just to get an update on his progress from &#8220;the horse&#8217;s mouth&#8221;?  The guy barely opened his mouth when Bedard started ranting at him &#8212; a little more longwinded than terse &#8212; saying he wasn&#8217;t having any problems except from &#8220;you guys&#8221; &#8212; the guy had never even spoken to Bedard before, and it was off the record&#8230;until the rant, anyway.  The guy came back rather crestfallen and told Softy about it, and Softy went ballistic on the air.</p>
<p>I guess that REALLY tears it, as far as Bedard is concerned.</p>
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		<title>By: aaron c.</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/07/27/game-104-mariners-at-blue-jays/comment-page-3/#comment-292706</link>
		<dc:creator>aaron c.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karen-

Bedard is terse with the press, but that&#039;s different than being an a-hole. The press makes him out to be an a-hole because he doesn&#039;t buddy around with them and give them long, congenial interviews. It&#039;s not his personality, and being a media darling is not in his job description. And really, I find him to be hilarious.

As far as his durability; it&#039;s not his fault. He can&#039;t do anything to change the fact that he&#039;s injury prone; some people just are. If a player is susceptible to injury, the smartest thing they can do is learn their limits and never try to exceed them (unless we&#039;re talking playoffs, do-or-die games, etc.) Bedard does the correct thing and he catches hell for it. 

Every time someone criticizes Bedard for not &quot;pitching through it&quot; and someone agrees them, it puts us (and quite possibly managers, players and front offices) further and further away from recognizing that it&#039;s pretty much the worst thing you can do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karen-</p>
<p>Bedard is terse with the press, but that&#8217;s different than being an a-hole. The press makes him out to be an a-hole because he doesn&#8217;t buddy around with them and give them long, congenial interviews. It&#8217;s not his personality, and being a media darling is not in his job description. And really, I find him to be hilarious.</p>
<p>As far as his durability; it&#8217;s not his fault. He can&#8217;t do anything to change the fact that he&#8217;s injury prone; some people just are. If a player is susceptible to injury, the smartest thing they can do is learn their limits and never try to exceed them (unless we&#8217;re talking playoffs, do-or-die games, etc.) Bedard does the correct thing and he catches hell for it. </p>
<p>Every time someone criticizes Bedard for not &#8220;pitching through it&#8221; and someone agrees them, it puts us (and quite possibly managers, players and front offices) further and further away from recognizing that it&#8217;s pretty much the worst thing you can do.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Nye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Nye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Bedard doesn&#039;t like the media. Who cares?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Bedard doesn&#8217;t like the media. Who cares?</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gee, if we&#039;re lucky Bedard will break 100 this season -- 100 innings pitched.  He may even start 20 games by the time the season&#039;s over.

Load that sucker up with NSAIDs and let&#039;s see what he can do in August to top those numbers.

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joser,  you see NO evidence that Bedard may be an A-hole?  How about treating the Seattle media like lepers from the get-go, as if they had Baltimore credentials and moved from the Orioles press box when he was traded?  

The Seattle media had done NOTHING to damage his delicate psyche or give him any reason to diss them .... well, other than have that little hip problem in Spring Training that was found out by somebody to have been a problem from years ago (i.e., making him seem like &quot;damaged goods&quot; or at least someone who was hiding a possibly congenital problem from EVERYBODY).

Someone asked a question about that, I imagine, and he promptly got a real bad attitude about it.     Writers shouldn&#039;t have to walk on eggshells around these guys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee, if we&#8217;re lucky Bedard will break 100 this season &#8212; 100 innings pitched.  He may even start 20 games by the time the season&#8217;s over.</p>
<p>Load that sucker up with NSAIDs and let&#8217;s see what he can do in August to top those numbers.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>joser,  you see NO evidence that Bedard may be an A-hole?  How about treating the Seattle media like lepers from the get-go, as if they had Baltimore credentials and moved from the Orioles press box when he was traded?  </p>
<p>The Seattle media had done NOTHING to damage his delicate psyche or give him any reason to diss them &#8230;. well, other than have that little hip problem in Spring Training that was found out by somebody to have been a problem from years ago (i.e., making him seem like &#8220;damaged goods&#8221; or at least someone who was hiding a possibly congenital problem from EVERYBODY).</p>
<p>Someone asked a question about that, I imagine, and he promptly got a real bad attitude about it.     Writers shouldn&#8217;t have to walk on eggshells around these guys.</p>
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		<title>By: joser</title>
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		<dc:creator>joser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see no evidence that Bedard is an &quot;A-hole.&quot;  What I do see is a local media that hates him because he doesn&#039;t spew a series of cliches that they can just write down and mail in between cocktails.  That he forces them to get up off their lazy asses and actually do more than ten minutes of actual work per day is a reason to like him, not hate him, in my opinion.  Of course it&#039;s no great achievement since the scribes just mindlessly parrot the cliches from the next guy and go back to their drunken stupor, but Bedard is doing what he can.  Sure, once you reach the big leagues there&#039;s the presumption that PR is an additional component to the job that comes with the territory, but I&#039;m not going to jump to conclusions about the character of a guy I&#039;ve never met just because he isn&#039;t good at it or doesn&#039;t want to play along.  I certainly am not going to take seriously the judgments made by others who obviously have a reason to cast him in the worst possible light.

As for drinking the kool-aid... you need to read USSM more. :)

&lt;blockquote&gt;
The Mâ€™s almost certainly understand that given their runs allowed and runs scored numbers last year, their W-L record should have been worse than it was. But Iâ€™d bet, as some of our commenters have pointed out, that theyâ€™ve got a whole set of reasons why the win total is for real: the disaster starts, injuries, Rick White, veteran grit and clubhouse leadership. Thereâ€™s a natural tendency to justify favorable luck as the product of things they did, while dismissing bad results as circumstance.

I donâ€™t know what they think supports their belief that they can run with the Angels this year.
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(&lt;a href=&quot;http://ussmariner.com/2008/02/07/predicting-the-2008-ms-fortunes/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 7&lt;/a&gt;)
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Your 2008 simulated Mariners:
Average record: 77-85
Best season: 93-69
Worst season: 59-103
Number of times they won the division (out of 100 simulated seasons): 6
Number of times they won the wild card (out of 100) simulated seasons): 0
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
(&lt;a href=&quot;http://ussmariner.com/2008/02/09/running-the-2008-season-a-hundred-times/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 9&lt;/a&gt;)

USSM: your anti-kool-aid</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see no evidence that Bedard is an &#8220;A-hole.&#8221;  What I do see is a local media that hates him because he doesn&#8217;t spew a series of cliches that they can just write down and mail in between cocktails.  That he forces them to get up off their lazy asses and actually do more than ten minutes of actual work per day is a reason to like him, not hate him, in my opinion.  Of course it&#8217;s no great achievement since the scribes just mindlessly parrot the cliches from the next guy and go back to their drunken stupor, but Bedard is doing what he can.  Sure, once you reach the big leagues there&#8217;s the presumption that PR is an additional component to the job that comes with the territory, but I&#8217;m not going to jump to conclusions about the character of a guy I&#8217;ve never met just because he isn&#8217;t good at it or doesn&#8217;t want to play along.  I certainly am not going to take seriously the judgments made by others who obviously have a reason to cast him in the worst possible light.</p>
<p>As for drinking the kool-aid&#8230; you need to read USSM more. <img src='http://www.ussmariner.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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The Mâ€™s almost certainly understand that given their runs allowed and runs scored numbers last year, their W-L record should have been worse than it was. But Iâ€™d bet, as some of our commenters have pointed out, that theyâ€™ve got a whole set of reasons why the win total is for real: the disaster starts, injuries, Rick White, veteran grit and clubhouse leadership. Thereâ€™s a natural tendency to justify favorable luck as the product of things they did, while dismissing bad results as circumstance.</p>
<p>I donâ€™t know what they think supports their belief that they can run with the Angels this year.
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<p>(<a href="http://ussmariner.com/2008/02/07/predicting-the-2008-ms-fortunes/" rel="nofollow">Feb 7</a>)</p>
<blockquote><p>
Your 2008 simulated Mariners:<br />
Average record: 77-85<br />
Best season: 93-69<br />
Worst season: 59-103<br />
Number of times they won the division (out of 100 simulated seasons): 6<br />
Number of times they won the wild card (out of 100) simulated seasons): 0
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<p>(<a href="http://ussmariner.com/2008/02/09/running-the-2008-season-a-hundred-times/" rel="nofollow">Feb 9</a>)</p>
<p>USSM: your anti-kool-aid</p>
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		<title>By: RallyFried</title>
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		<dc:creator>RallyFried</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 22:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You guys are probably right. I just had a lot of hope riding on Bedard and this season&#039;s Mariners. I&#039;ll admit I not only drank the Kool Aid prior to this season, I chugged it. I was drunk off of it. I was ready to root on a contender. When high hopes are dashed by such utter failure it manifests itself in this frustration and contempt. I guess I&#039;ll call it Bavasitis. Whatever it is, it hurts. And it doesn&#039;t seem to be getting much better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You guys are probably right. I just had a lot of hope riding on Bedard and this season&#8217;s Mariners. I&#8217;ll admit I not only drank the Kool Aid prior to this season, I chugged it. I was drunk off of it. I was ready to root on a contender. When high hopes are dashed by such utter failure it manifests itself in this frustration and contempt. I guess I&#8217;ll call it Bavasitis. Whatever it is, it hurts. And it doesn&#8217;t seem to be getting much better.</p>
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		<title>By: aaron c.</title>
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		<dc:creator>aaron c.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The quote by the â€œMarinerâ€™s officialâ€ sums up exactly what is wrong with the organization as a whole. The official said that Bedard has to be shipped off because essentially the Mâ€™s arenâ€™t capable of managing him. Thatâ€™s really sad.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I completely agree that this statement is further proof that there are some huge problems in the organization. I just disagree that Bedard is part of this problem. The M&#039;s got exactly what they paid for, they just thought they were paying for something different. Not his fault.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The quote by the â€œMarinerâ€™s officialâ€ sums up exactly what is wrong with the organization as a whole. The official said that Bedard has to be shipped off because essentially the Mâ€™s arenâ€™t capable of managing him. Thatâ€™s really sad.</p></blockquote>
<p>I completely agree that this statement is further proof that there are some huge problems in the organization. I just disagree that Bedard is part of this problem. The M&#8217;s got exactly what they paid for, they just thought they were paying for something different. Not his fault.</p>
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