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	<title>Comments on: Proven Chemistry Guru Guillen Harming Chemistry</title>
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		<title>By: BlazerD</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/07/29/proven-chemistry-guru-guillen-harming-chemistry/comment-page-1/#comment-293136</link>
		<dc:creator>BlazerD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 02:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Character is important, but it&#039;s not as important as talent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Character is important, but it&#8217;s not as important as talent.</p>
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		<title>By: joser</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/07/29/proven-chemistry-guru-guillen-harming-chemistry/comment-page-1/#comment-293070</link>
		<dc:creator>joser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:43:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to mention that everybody is affected by other things going on in their lives.  The guy that &quot;held the team together&quot; one year when he was young and in love might be a &quot;clubhouse cancer&quot; a couple of years later when he&#039;s going through a messy divorce.    But how much that helps the team actually win games -- or not -- is generally overstated regardless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to mention that everybody is affected by other things going on in their lives.  The guy that &#8220;held the team together&#8221; one year when he was young and in love might be a &#8220;clubhouse cancer&#8221; a couple of years later when he&#8217;s going through a messy divorce.    But how much that helps the team actually win games &#8212; or not &#8212; is generally overstated regardless.</p>
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		<title>By: pygmalion</title>
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		<dc:creator>pygmalion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;You canâ€™t take one item and expect it to do the same at another location. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think that is a large part of the point of the post.  No one knows how to predict chemistry.  Despite what people say, even winning doesn&#039;t always create good chemistry.  Even if you keep a guy in the same place, the people around him might change, or he might just change, and now you&#039;ve got different chemistry.  No one knows how to predict chemistry because no one knows how to predict human behavior on a scale lower than several trillion people (First Law of Psychohistory, right?).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You canâ€™t take one item and expect it to do the same at another location. </p></blockquote>
<p>I think that is a large part of the point of the post.  No one knows how to predict chemistry.  Despite what people say, even winning doesn&#8217;t always create good chemistry.  Even if you keep a guy in the same place, the people around him might change, or he might just change, and now you&#8217;ve got different chemistry.  No one knows how to predict chemistry because no one knows how to predict human behavior on a scale lower than several trillion people (First Law of Psychohistory, right?).</p>
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		<title>By: ajn007</title>
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		<dc:creator>ajn007</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with most of the things said in here, but this statement is taken way out of context. You can&#039;t take one item and expect it to do the same at another location. Kansas City has a different team and different management and different People! Seattle has different people and is lacking leadership in the clubhouse and a guy who has a go get them attitude. I don&#039;t necessarily agree with this statement, but Kansas City was most likely not missing this on the physiological side of things. You can attack those of use who think psyche has a big effect on the game, but do it with correct logic. If the mariners beet the Indians 5-3 and the Indians beet the red sox 11-1, would the Mariners beat the Red Sox 33-3? Well with Guillenâ€™s psyche back on the club we wouldâ€¦..J/K. I think Guillen is huge part in why the mariners sucks so bad this year not just because of his psyche but the mainly because he did in the field and on offense. Do you really think Sexson would skip all the practice and warm up items if Guillen was still on the team?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with most of the things said in here, but this statement is taken way out of context. You can&#8217;t take one item and expect it to do the same at another location. Kansas City has a different team and different management and different People! Seattle has different people and is lacking leadership in the clubhouse and a guy who has a go get them attitude. I don&#8217;t necessarily agree with this statement, but Kansas City was most likely not missing this on the physiological side of things. You can attack those of use who think psyche has a big effect on the game, but do it with correct logic. If the mariners beet the Indians 5-3 and the Indians beet the red sox 11-1, would the Mariners beat the Red Sox 33-3? Well with Guillenâ€™s psyche back on the club we wouldâ€¦..J/K. I think Guillen is huge part in why the mariners sucks so bad this year not just because of his psyche but the mainly because he did in the field and on offense. Do you really think Sexson would skip all the practice and warm up items if Guillen was still on the team?</p>
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		<title>By: joser</title>
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		<dc:creator>joser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nobody is saying &quot;leadership, hustle, courage and self-confidence&quot; don&#039;t exist.  In fact, you&#039;ll find enormous amounts of them on every major league team... the winners &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; the losers.  

Or is it only children who think a team full of A-Rods would beat a team full of Ecksteins?

James is tilting at a strawman.  Nobody (here at least) is saying those things don&#039;t exist; nobody is saying they don&#039;t matter.  They&#039;re saying they don&#039;t matter anywhere near as much as they are popularly thought to, and vague terms like &quot;chemistry&quot; are often a crutch used by sports journalist to explain the unlikely or to invoke the mystical or poetic in what comes down to more prosaic thumping of an inferior team by a superior one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobody is saying &#8220;leadership, hustle, courage and self-confidence&#8221; don&#8217;t exist.  In fact, you&#8217;ll find enormous amounts of them on every major league team&#8230; the winners <i>and</i> the losers.  </p>
<p>Or is it only children who think a team full of A-Rods would beat a team full of Ecksteins?</p>
<p>James is tilting at a strawman.  Nobody (here at least) is saying those things don&#8217;t exist; nobody is saying they don&#8217;t matter.  They&#8217;re saying they don&#8217;t matter anywhere near as much as they are popularly thought to, and vague terms like &#8220;chemistry&#8221; are often a crutch used by sports journalist to explain the unlikely or to invoke the mystical or poetic in what comes down to more prosaic thumping of an inferior team by a superior one.</p>
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		<title>By: LB</title>
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		<dc:creator>LB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill James, &lt;a href=&quot;http://sonsofsamhorn.net/wiki/index.php/An_interview_with_Bill_James&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;em&gt;As in politics we have left and rightâ€”neither of which explains the world or explains how to live successfully in the worldâ€”in baseball we have the analytical camp and the traditional camp, or the sabermetricians against the scouts, however you want to characterize it. I created a good part of the analytical paradigm that the statistical analysts advocate, and certainly I believe in that paradigm and I advocate it within the Red Sox front office. But at the same time, the real world is too complicated to be explained by that paradigm. 

It is one thing to build an analytical paradigm that leaves out leadership, hustle, focus, intensity, courage and self-confidence; it is a very, very different thing to say that leadership, hustle, courage and self-confidence do not exist or do not play a role on real-world baseball teams. 

The people who think that way. . .not to be rude, but theyâ€™re children. They may be 40-year-old children, they may be 70-year-old children, but their thinking is immature.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill James, <a href="http://sonsofsamhorn.net/wiki/index.php/An_interview_with_Bill_James" rel="nofollow">here</a>:</p>
<p><em>As in politics we have left and rightâ€”neither of which explains the world or explains how to live successfully in the worldâ€”in baseball we have the analytical camp and the traditional camp, or the sabermetricians against the scouts, however you want to characterize it. I created a good part of the analytical paradigm that the statistical analysts advocate, and certainly I believe in that paradigm and I advocate it within the Red Sox front office. But at the same time, the real world is too complicated to be explained by that paradigm. </p>
<p>It is one thing to build an analytical paradigm that leaves out leadership, hustle, focus, intensity, courage and self-confidence; it is a very, very different thing to say that leadership, hustle, courage and self-confidence do not exist or do not play a role on real-world baseball teams. </p>
<p>The people who think that way. . .not to be rude, but theyâ€™re children. They may be 40-year-old children, they may be 70-year-old children, but their thinking is immature.</em></p>
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		<title>By: joser</title>
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		<dc:creator>joser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/teixeiras-value&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;analysis at Fangraphs&lt;/a&gt; pegs him at about a 9 run / 1 win improvement over the course of the season (he actually was suggesting swapping him for Rivera, but it&#039;s probably about the same).  Clearly, as you said, they&#039;re looking for this to pay off in the postseason.  That&#039;s more of a crapshoot (eg see Gene Tenace, 1972 WS) but if you can do something to improve your odds, and your pitching is already solid, upgrading your slugging without hurting your defense sounds like a good plan to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave&#8217;s <a href="http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/teixeiras-value" rel="nofollow">analysis at Fangraphs</a> pegs him at about a 9 run / 1 win improvement over the course of the season (he actually was suggesting swapping him for Rivera, but it&#8217;s probably about the same).  Clearly, as you said, they&#8217;re looking for this to pay off in the postseason.  That&#8217;s more of a crapshoot (eg see Gene Tenace, 1972 WS) but if you can do something to improve your odds, and your pitching is already solid, upgrading your slugging without hurting your defense sounds like a good plan to me.</p>
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		<title>By: galaxieboi</title>
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		<dc:creator>galaxieboi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Angels (rightfully) believe they&#039;ve got the division locked and are probably looking ahead to post-season matchups at this point.  Is Tex really going to be that big of an improvement over Kotchman at his point?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Angels (rightfully) believe they&#8217;ve got the division locked and are probably looking ahead to post-season matchups at this point.  Is Tex really going to be that big of an improvement over Kotchman at his point?</p>
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		<title>By: joser</title>
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		<dc:creator>joser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...because the Angels haven&#039;t been banging the M&#039;s like a gong enough already this season.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;because the Angels haven&#8217;t been banging the M&#8217;s like a gong enough already this season.</p>
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		<title>By: msb</title>
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		<dc:creator>msb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 22:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Teixeira to the Angels for Casey Kotchman and minor league P Stephen Marek&lt;/blockquote&gt;

do any of them have proven chemistry?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Teixeira to the Angels for Casey Kotchman and minor league P Stephen Marek</p></blockquote>
<p>do any of them have proven chemistry?</p>
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