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	<title>Comments on: Why Raul Ibanez will decline arbitration</title>
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		<title>By: Madison Mariner</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/08/05/why-raul-ibanez-will-decline-arbitration/comment-page-1/#comment-295063</link>
		<dc:creator>Madison Mariner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 15:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Thatâ€™s the crux of the dilemna, I suppose.&lt;/blockquote&gt;


Of course, I meant &quot;dilemma&quot;.  Oops!


&lt;blockquote&gt;...ensuring that their own 2009 1st round pick is protected in next yearâ€™s draft&lt;/blockquote&gt;


And of course, &quot;2009 1st round pick...in next year&#039;s draft&quot; is humorously redundant!

I should&#039;ve gotten more sleep last night.  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Thatâ€™s the crux of the dilemna, I suppose.</p></blockquote>
<p>Of course, I meant &#8220;dilemma&#8221;.  Oops!</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;ensuring that their own 2009 1st round pick is protected in next yearâ€™s draft</p></blockquote>
<p>And of course, &#8220;2009 1st round pick&#8230;in next year&#8217;s draft&#8221; is humorously redundant!</p>
<p>I should&#8217;ve gotten more sleep last night.  <img src='http://www.ussmariner.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Madison Mariner</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/08/05/why-raul-ibanez-will-decline-arbitration/comment-page-1/#comment-295059</link>
		<dc:creator>Madison Mariner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 15:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The point is is there a team out there that really sees Ibanez as a starter worth giving up a 1st or 2nd rd pick over? If heâ€™s Type B, no question you do it, but Type A is different.&lt;/blockquote&gt;


That&#039;s the crux of the dilemna, I suppose.  

If Wayne Krivsky was still GM of the Reds, there would be no question that they would sign Ibanez this offseason.  Even without him, would Walt Jocketty go after someone like Ibanez to hold down LF for 2 years after Adam Dunn departs via free agency?

I don&#039;t know for certain, but if Dunn leaves(as seems likely) and he declines arbitration, the Reds are getting draft picks anyway, so maybe they don&#039;t care about losing what would seem in all likelihood their 2nd round draft pick to the Mariners when/if they sign Ibanez in this hypothetical scenario I&#039;ve concocted?

(2nd round since the Reds are on pace for a below .500 finish, thus (in all liklihood) ensuring that their own 2009 1st round pick is protected in next year&#039;s draft.)

And the Reds aren&#039;t the only below .500 team who may think about signing to a 1 or 2-year contract to hold down the fort in LF, if you ask me.  I could see the Braves doing the same thing, and they&#039;d only lose a 2nd round draft pick based on their current record being carried forward to season&#039;s end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The point is is there a team out there that really sees Ibanez as a starter worth giving up a 1st or 2nd rd pick over? If heâ€™s Type B, no question you do it, but Type A is different.</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s the crux of the dilemna, I suppose.  </p>
<p>If Wayne Krivsky was still GM of the Reds, there would be no question that they would sign Ibanez this offseason.  Even without him, would Walt Jocketty go after someone like Ibanez to hold down LF for 2 years after Adam Dunn departs via free agency?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know for certain, but if Dunn leaves(as seems likely) and he declines arbitration, the Reds are getting draft picks anyway, so maybe they don&#8217;t care about losing what would seem in all likelihood their 2nd round draft pick to the Mariners when/if they sign Ibanez in this hypothetical scenario I&#8217;ve concocted?</p>
<p>(2nd round since the Reds are on pace for a below .500 finish, thus (in all liklihood) ensuring that their own 2009 1st round pick is protected in next year&#8217;s draft.)</p>
<p>And the Reds aren&#8217;t the only below .500 team who may think about signing to a 1 or 2-year contract to hold down the fort in LF, if you ask me.  I could see the Braves doing the same thing, and they&#8217;d only lose a 2nd round draft pick based on their current record being carried forward to season&#8217;s end.</p>
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		<title>By: endaround</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/08/05/why-raul-ibanez-will-decline-arbitration/comment-page-1/#comment-294912</link>
		<dc:creator>endaround</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 02:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually Tony Graffanino is a very interesting comparison.  As said after 2005 no one would give up a draft pick for him and so the Red Sox ended up cutting him and he went to KC.  KC then traded him to Milwaukee and in 2006 he put up a decent line of .274/.345/.406-one would think pretty nice for a 2B.  Milwaukee decided to end up offering him arby to get picks, but he was a Type A and no one wanted to give up a pick to get what was thought to be a bench player-the Padres had a two year deal waiting for him if Milwaukee didn&#039;t offer arby, they balked at giving up the pick when Milwaukee did offer.  So Graffanino ended up back in Milwaukee and blowing out his leg costing him $2-3m in salary for this year.  

The point is is there a team out there that really sees Ibanez as a starter worth giving up a 1st or 2nd rd pick over?  If he&#039;s Type B, no question you do it, but Type A is different.  Now you can always trade him next season after the minimum time elapses, but then you have injury risk of a 37 year old player in addition to collapse risk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually Tony Graffanino is a very interesting comparison.  As said after 2005 no one would give up a draft pick for him and so the Red Sox ended up cutting him and he went to KC.  KC then traded him to Milwaukee and in 2006 he put up a decent line of .274/.345/.406-one would think pretty nice for a 2B.  Milwaukee decided to end up offering him arby to get picks, but he was a Type A and no one wanted to give up a pick to get what was thought to be a bench player-the Padres had a two year deal waiting for him if Milwaukee didn&#8217;t offer arby, they balked at giving up the pick when Milwaukee did offer.  So Graffanino ended up back in Milwaukee and blowing out his leg costing him $2-3m in salary for this year.  </p>
<p>The point is is there a team out there that really sees Ibanez as a starter worth giving up a 1st or 2nd rd pick over?  If he&#8217;s Type B, no question you do it, but Type A is different.  Now you can always trade him next season after the minimum time elapses, but then you have injury risk of a 37 year old player in addition to collapse risk.</p>
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		<title>By: scott19</title>
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		<dc:creator>scott19</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 23:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Graffanino said there was interest among other clubs until the arb offer came, then it all dried up. Boston had to go to arbitration with him. (They offered it, after all.) They wound up dumping him through waivers at the end of 2006 spring training just to free his roster spot. They did not get a draft pick out of the experience.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Didn&#039;t Gillick wind up doing something similar back in the spring of 2000 with the awesome left-field veteran experience that was Brian Hunter?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Graffanino said there was interest among other clubs until the arb offer came, then it all dried up. Boston had to go to arbitration with him. (They offered it, after all.) They wound up dumping him through waivers at the end of 2006 spring training just to free his roster spot. They did not get a draft pick out of the experience.</p></blockquote>
<p>Didn&#8217;t Gillick wind up doing something similar back in the spring of 2000 with the awesome left-field veteran experience that was Brian Hunter?</p>
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		<title>By: LB</title>
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		<dc:creator>LB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 23:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boston traded for Tony Graffanino in 2005 because they needed a second baseman and because they wanted to get a draft pick for him after the season. He was &quot;only&quot; 33, and he hit .309 /.366/.425 -- not bad for a middle infielder.

Graffanino said there was interest among other clubs until the arb offer came, then it all dried up. Boston had to go to arbitration with him. (They offered it, after all.) They wound up dumping him through waivers at the end of 2006 spring training just to free his roster spot. They did not get a draft pick out of the experience.

Isn&#039;t there a danger this could happen with Raul?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boston traded for Tony Graffanino in 2005 because they needed a second baseman and because they wanted to get a draft pick for him after the season. He was &#8220;only&#8221; 33, and he hit .309 /.366/.425 &#8212; not bad for a middle infielder.</p>
<p>Graffanino said there was interest among other clubs until the arb offer came, then it all dried up. Boston had to go to arbitration with him. (They offered it, after all.) They wound up dumping him through waivers at the end of 2006 spring training just to free his roster spot. They did not get a draft pick out of the experience.</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t there a danger this could happen with Raul?</p>
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		<title>By: fdeezle</title>
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		<dc:creator>fdeezle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 20:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unrelated to this thread but [unrelated to the thread; but with good news like that you can be sure there&#039;ll be a post shortly]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unrelated to this thread but [unrelated to the thread; but with good news like that you can be sure there'll be a post shortly]</p>
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		<title>By: notanangrygradstudent</title>
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		<dc:creator>notanangrygradstudent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 20:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn, misread it.  That makes it a lot less funny....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn, misread it.  That makes it a lot less funny&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: John in L.A.</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/08/05/why-raul-ibanez-will-decline-arbitration/comment-page-1/#comment-294774</link>
		<dc:creator>John in L.A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 20:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Umâ€¦suck?? Or were you looking for more detail, there?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It wasn&#039;t a question, just an example of how we avoid stockpiling prospects.

Poorly worded on my part, but it was &quot;what we are going to do...&quot; not &quot;what are we going to do...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Umâ€¦suck?? Or were you looking for more detail, there?</p></blockquote>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t a question, just an example of how we avoid stockpiling prospects.</p>
<p>Poorly worded on my part, but it was &#8220;what we are going to do&#8230;&#8221; not &#8220;what are we going to do&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: notanangrygradstudent</title>
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		<dc:creator>notanangrygradstudent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 20:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;For instance, what we are going to do when we give Raul an extension instead of taking the draft picks.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Um...suck??  Or were you looking for more detail, there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>For instance, what we are going to do when we give Raul an extension instead of taking the draft picks.</p></blockquote>
<p>Um&#8230;suck??  Or were you looking for more detail, there?</p>
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		<title>By: Sports on a Schtick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sports on a Schtick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 20:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The Mâ€™s already have a DH in Vidro. The Vidro Kool-Aid drinkers will likely re-sign him as well.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That must be Jim Jones Kool-Aid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The Mâ€™s already have a DH in Vidro. The Vidro Kool-Aid drinkers will likely re-sign him as well.</p></blockquote>
<p>That must be Jim Jones Kool-Aid.</p>
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