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		<title>By: Sports on a Schtick</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/08/12/game-119-mariners-at-angels/comment-page-2/#comment-295893</link>
		<dc:creator>Sports on a Schtick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Washburn claimed on waivers! Get it done Lee!</description>
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		<title>By: JMHawkins</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/08/12/game-119-mariners-at-angels/comment-page-2/#comment-295890</link>
		<dc:creator>JMHawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;Although I made a similar point in the Silva/Riggleman folder, I think youâ€™re being a little unfair to Riggleman. I do not believe that Riggleman is calling the shots on this... I think itâ€™s pretty fair to conclude that a condition to Rigglemanâ€™s hiring was that he was not allowed to revisit that decision. Now, you could say Riggleman should have demanded that right, but I would suspect that if he had done so, heâ€™d been unemployed right now.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ichiro playing RF instead of CF I can understand.  He played there for several years and has been struggling with a sore hamstring.  If that was the only questionable decision, I&#039;d have no problem.  Hell, if Ichiro DH&#039;d for a spell, I&#039;d chalk it up to the hamstring and conclude it&#039;s probably a good idea.

But that&#039;s just one of several misuses of talent.  If Ichiro isn&#039;t the CF, then Reed should be.  And if Ichiro isn&#039;t the DH, then Ibanez should be.  When Vidro was in the lineup, he should&#039;ve been hitting 8th or 9th, not cleanup.  And so on and so forth, to borrow a phrase from McClaren. 

Are Lincoln, Armstrong and Pelekoudos really calling all these shots?  If so, then what exactly is Riggleman&#039;s job?  Talking to the press?  I thought that was what they paid Silva for (cause his pitching sure ain&#039;t worth what they pay him.  Ba-dump!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><em>Although I made a similar point in the Silva/Riggleman folder, I think youâ€™re being a little unfair to Riggleman. I do not believe that Riggleman is calling the shots on this&#8230; I think itâ€™s pretty fair to conclude that a condition to Rigglemanâ€™s hiring was that he was not allowed to revisit that decision. Now, you could say Riggleman should have demanded that right, but I would suspect that if he had done so, heâ€™d been unemployed right now.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Ichiro playing RF instead of CF I can understand.  He played there for several years and has been struggling with a sore hamstring.  If that was the only questionable decision, I&#8217;d have no problem.  Hell, if Ichiro DH&#8217;d for a spell, I&#8217;d chalk it up to the hamstring and conclude it&#8217;s probably a good idea.</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s just one of several misuses of talent.  If Ichiro isn&#8217;t the CF, then Reed should be.  And if Ichiro isn&#8217;t the DH, then Ibanez should be.  When Vidro was in the lineup, he should&#8217;ve been hitting 8th or 9th, not cleanup.  And so on and so forth, to borrow a phrase from McClaren. </p>
<p>Are Lincoln, Armstrong and Pelekoudos really calling all these shots?  If so, then what exactly is Riggleman&#8217;s job?  Talking to the press?  I thought that was what they paid Silva for (cause his pitching sure ain&#8217;t worth what they pay him.  Ba-dump!).</p>
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		<title>By: gwangung</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/08/12/game-119-mariners-at-angels/comment-page-2/#comment-295888</link>
		<dc:creator>gwangung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Ultimately, the only way this organization is going to change is if the new GM and the new manager have enough clout to reverse that decision. If the people doing the interviewing are the ones who are behind the decisonâ€“Chuck and Howardâ€“then thatâ€™s increasingly unlikely and we may be making the same comments in a year, or much longer.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

More organizational meddling by people who don&#039;t know what they&#039;re doing? I&#039;m SHOCKED!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Ultimately, the only way this organization is going to change is if the new GM and the new manager have enough clout to reverse that decision. If the people doing the interviewing are the ones who are behind the decisonâ€“Chuck and Howardâ€“then thatâ€™s increasingly unlikely and we may be making the same comments in a year, or much longer.</p></blockquote>
<p>More organizational meddling by people who don&#8217;t know what they&#8217;re doing? I&#8217;m SHOCKED!</p>
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		<title>By: Breadbaker</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/08/12/game-119-mariners-at-angels/comment-page-2/#comment-295884</link>
		<dc:creator>Breadbaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 09:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;This is why, despite my appreciation of Riggleman for putting Silva in his place the other day, I hope he remains â€œinterimâ€ manager and they find someone else in the offseason. He, frankly, doesnâ€™t seem to have the foggiest clue about the skills of the players he is managing. &lt;/blockquote&gt;Although I made a similar point in the Silva/Riggleman folder, I think you&#039;re being a little unfair to Riggleman.  I do not believe that Riggleman is calling the shots on this.  Remember, the announcement that Ichiro would play rightfield forever was made just days before McLaren was canned.  Given that it is essentially impossible that McLaren would be allowed to make an announcement of that degree at that point in his Mariners tenure unless it was an organizational decision, not a managerial one, I think it&#039;s pretty fair to conclude that a condition to Riggleman&#039;s hiring was that he was not allowed to revisit that decision.  Now, you could say Riggleman should have demanded that right, but I would suspect that if he had done so, he&#039;d been unemployed right now.  

I can&#039;t make the same circumstantial case for the Ibanez situation, but again, I don&#039;t think Riggleman is wilfully blinded by Ibanez&#039;s offense to seeing he has no defense.  In fact, this remarks about the complete lack of a standard DH may have been his prisoner&#039;s message to us all that he knows he has a DH, he just can&#039;t put him in the position.  

The same may go for Wlad in center, putting Reed at DH, or even Reed in LF the day Ibanez was at DH.  &quot;We have to know if this guy can play center&quot;, even if (a) Ichiro is more valuable to the team as a centerfielder; (b) Wlad is more valuable to the team playing his natural position; and (c) we&#039;d have some pretty decent outfield defense with Wlad in right, Ichiro in center and Reed in left.  Why do we have to know if Wlad can play center?  Because he can&#039;t play right because the organization has promised that to Ichiro regardless of who the manager is.  

Ultimately, the only way this organization is going to change is if the new GM and the new manager have enough clout to reverse that decision.  If the people doing the interviewing are the ones who are behind the decison--Chuck and Howard--then that&#039;s increasingly unlikely and we may be making the same comments in a year, or much longer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>This is why, despite my appreciation of Riggleman for putting Silva in his place the other day, I hope he remains â€œinterimâ€ manager and they find someone else in the offseason. He, frankly, doesnâ€™t seem to have the foggiest clue about the skills of the players he is managing. </p></blockquote>
<p>Although I made a similar point in the Silva/Riggleman folder, I think you&#8217;re being a little unfair to Riggleman.  I do not believe that Riggleman is calling the shots on this.  Remember, the announcement that Ichiro would play rightfield forever was made just days before McLaren was canned.  Given that it is essentially impossible that McLaren would be allowed to make an announcement of that degree at that point in his Mariners tenure unless it was an organizational decision, not a managerial one, I think it&#8217;s pretty fair to conclude that a condition to Riggleman&#8217;s hiring was that he was not allowed to revisit that decision.  Now, you could say Riggleman should have demanded that right, but I would suspect that if he had done so, he&#8217;d been unemployed right now.  </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t make the same circumstantial case for the Ibanez situation, but again, I don&#8217;t think Riggleman is wilfully blinded by Ibanez&#8217;s offense to seeing he has no defense.  In fact, this remarks about the complete lack of a standard DH may have been his prisoner&#8217;s message to us all that he knows he has a DH, he just can&#8217;t put him in the position.  </p>
<p>The same may go for Wlad in center, putting Reed at DH, or even Reed in LF the day Ibanez was at DH.  &#8220;We have to know if this guy can play center&#8221;, even if (a) Ichiro is more valuable to the team as a centerfielder; (b) Wlad is more valuable to the team playing his natural position; and (c) we&#8217;d have some pretty decent outfield defense with Wlad in right, Ichiro in center and Reed in left.  Why do we have to know if Wlad can play center?  Because he can&#8217;t play right because the organization has promised that to Ichiro regardless of who the manager is.  </p>
<p>Ultimately, the only way this organization is going to change is if the new GM and the new manager have enough clout to reverse that decision.  If the people doing the interviewing are the ones who are behind the decison&#8211;Chuck and Howard&#8211;then that&#8217;s increasingly unlikely and we may be making the same comments in a year, or much longer.</p>
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		<title>By: JMHawkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>JMHawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 06:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;They let you bring beverages into Coors Field&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

In theory, would they let you bring Budweiser into Coors Field?  

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;So, the Mâ€™s best CF is playing RF, the second best CF is playing DH, the worst OF is playing LF, and a corner OF is playing CF. Sounds like perfect Mariner logic&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is why, despite my appreciation of Riggleman for putting Silva in his place the other day, I hope he remains &quot;interim&quot; manager and they find someone else in the offseason.  He, frankly, doesn&#039;t seem to have the foggiest clue about the skills of the players he is managing.   

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;You hate Valle? Heâ€™s nothinâ€™ compared to having to watch the Angels broadcast and listen to the Hud!&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I was a bit distracted during the pre-game, but Rizzs was talking to Rex, and I&#039;m pretty sure the Wonder Dog called him &quot;Razz.&quot;  

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;you knowâ€“ if KOMO had, I dunno, a reporter covering the Mariners or something, maybe weâ€™d know the results of Willieâ€™s MRI today.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

KOMO dumping the rest of the season like that is pathetic.  Stupid too.  If I had ads running on the post-game show, I&#039;d cancel them, or demand a partial rebate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><em>They let you bring beverages into Coors Field</em></p></blockquote>
<p>In theory, would they let you bring Budweiser into Coors Field?  </p>
<blockquote><p><em>So, the Mâ€™s best CF is playing RF, the second best CF is playing DH, the worst OF is playing LF, and a corner OF is playing CF. Sounds like perfect Mariner logic</em></p></blockquote>
<p>This is why, despite my appreciation of Riggleman for putting Silva in his place the other day, I hope he remains &#8220;interim&#8221; manager and they find someone else in the offseason.  He, frankly, doesn&#8217;t seem to have the foggiest clue about the skills of the players he is managing.   </p>
<blockquote><p><em>You hate Valle? Heâ€™s nothinâ€™ compared to having to watch the Angels broadcast and listen to the Hud!</em></p></blockquote>
<p>I was a bit distracted during the pre-game, but Rizzs was talking to Rex, and I&#8217;m pretty sure the Wonder Dog called him &#8220;Razz.&#8221;  </p>
<blockquote><p><em>you knowâ€“ if KOMO had, I dunno, a reporter covering the Mariners or something, maybe weâ€™d know the results of Willieâ€™s MRI today.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>KOMO dumping the rest of the season like that is pathetic.  Stupid too.  If I had ads running on the post-game show, I&#8217;d cancel them, or demand a partial rebate.</p>
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		<title>By: jordan</title>
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		<dc:creator>jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 06:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Washburn cleared waivers.</description>
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		<title>By: Mike Snow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Snow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 04:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At this point, I&#039;m simply in favor of anything that will take Bobby Thigpen off the record books.</description>
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		<title>By: MattThompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>MattThompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 04:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good Lord, the save rule is dumb.  Get one out before 4 runs score?  SAVE!</description>
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		<title>By: tgf</title>
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		<dc:creator>tgf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 04:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Every M is trying to pad their offensive stats, thatâ€™s obvious.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

As opposed to taking a principled stand to make lots of outs?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Every M is trying to pad their offensive stats, thatâ€™s obvious.</p></blockquote>
<p>As opposed to taking a principled stand to make lots of outs?</p>
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		<title>By: msb</title>
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		<dc:creator>msb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 04:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as bad as they Ms are, imagine how bad the Nats must be, to be that far back in the NL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as bad as they Ms are, imagine how bad the Nats must be, to be that far back in the NL.</p>
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