Comments on: Washburn and the Winner’s Curse http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/08/15/washburn-and-the-winners-curse/ Seattle Mariners blog and general baseball discussion Fri, 10 Feb 2012 01:19:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: eponymous coward http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/08/15/washburn-and-the-winners-curse/comment-page-1/#comment-296712 eponymous coward Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:41:21 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=5812#comment-296712 Cirillo was hitting .250-ish at sea level the year before he came to Safeco, and his best OPS against RHP from 2002-2007 was .720. It's pretty clear that Pat Gillick, God bless him, bought Cirillo as he was hitting his after-30 decline phase. Cirillo was hitting .250-ish at sea level the year before he came to Safeco, and his best OPS against RHP from 2002-2007 was .720.

It’s pretty clear that Pat Gillick, God bless him, bought Cirillo as he was hitting his after-30 decline phase.

]]> By: scott19 http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/08/15/washburn-and-the-winners-curse/comment-page-1/#comment-296694 scott19 Sat, 16 Aug 2008 08:32:28 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=5812#comment-296694 "Since then I’ve been very skeptical of any hitter coming over from the NL" Although, in the case of Cirillo, he also put up solid numbers in Milwaukee -- which, at the time he was there, was an AL park at that oh-so-stratospheric altitude of about 670 feet above sea level. I just think that, for whatever reason, JC just completely dropped off the face of the earth when he got here. (Rumor has it that it was more his wife's idea for him to come to Seattle than his, but I can't substantiate that.) “Since then I’ve been very skeptical of any hitter coming over from the NL”

Although, in the case of Cirillo, he also put up solid numbers in Milwaukee — which, at the time he was there, was an AL park at that oh-so-stratospheric altitude of about 670 feet above sea level.

I just think that, for whatever reason, JC just completely dropped off the face of the earth when he got here. (Rumor has it that it was more his wife’s idea for him to come to Seattle than his, but I can’t substantiate that.)

]]> By: Sidi http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/08/15/washburn-and-the-winners-curse/comment-page-1/#comment-296690 Sidi Sat, 16 Aug 2008 06:51:19 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=5812#comment-296690 <i>Most everyone, for example, was in favor of Jeff Cirillo at the time. I highly doubt that’s true. Unfortunately, both USSM and BP don’t appear to have archives from that off-season.</i> I remember plenty of "blah blah blah Coors Field" and "blah blah National League"...of course, I didn't believe it at the time. Since then I've been very skeptical of any hitter coming over from the NL, and it's a pretty safe position to take. Most everyone, for example, was in favor of Jeff Cirillo at the time.

I highly doubt that’s true.

Unfortunately, both USSM and BP don’t appear to have archives from that off-season.

I remember plenty of “blah blah blah Coors Field” and “blah blah National League”…of course, I didn’t believe it at the time.

Since then I’ve been very skeptical of any hitter coming over from the NL, and it’s a pretty safe position to take.

]]> By: Dobbs http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/08/15/washburn-and-the-winners-curse/comment-page-1/#comment-296594 Dobbs Sat, 16 Aug 2008 01:17:22 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=5812#comment-296594 What's the possibility Washburn is labeled a Type A or B free agent and worth a draft pick or two after next season? Could the M's management actually be holding out because they see that as possible? What’s the possibility Washburn is labeled a Type A or B free agent and worth a draft pick or two after next season?

Could the M’s management actually be holding out because they see that as possible?

]]> By: Evan http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/08/15/washburn-and-the-winners-curse/comment-page-1/#comment-296551 Evan Fri, 15 Aug 2008 23:35:32 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=5812#comment-296551 <blockquote>Actually, I think Nomad would probably make a better FO executive than some of these guys would.</blockquote> The Max Five for GM!

Actually, I think Nomad would probably make a better FO executive than some of these guys would.

The Max Five for GM!

]]> By: Evan http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/08/15/washburn-and-the-winners-curse/comment-page-1/#comment-296550 Evan Fri, 15 Aug 2008 23:34:58 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=5812#comment-296550 <blockquote>Most everyone, for example, was in favor of Jeff Cirillo at the time.</blockquote> I highly doubt that's true. Unfortunately, both USSM and BP don't appear to have archives from that off-season.

Most everyone, for example, was in favor of Jeff Cirillo at the time.

I highly doubt that’s true.

Unfortunately, both USSM and BP don’t appear to have archives from that off-season.

]]> By: jordan http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/08/15/washburn-and-the-winners-curse/comment-page-1/#comment-296528 jordan Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:26:52 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=5812#comment-296528 Washburn for Mariners GM!!!!!!!!!! Washburn for Mariners GM!!!!!!!!!!

]]> By: scott19 http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/08/15/washburn-and-the-winners-curse/comment-page-1/#comment-296526 scott19 Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:20:41 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=5812#comment-296526 <blockquote>I’m thinking of Lee P as a robot on Star Trek (TOS) that, when confronted with a logical paradox, would cease to function (sometimes with smoke).</blockquote> Actually, I think Nomad would probably make a better FO executive than some of these guys would. Though I think I'd rather have a Dalek from <em>Dr. Who</em> as a GM. One of those guys would <strong>definitely</strong> take care of business! ;)

I’m thinking of Lee P as a robot on Star Trek (TOS) that, when confronted with a logical paradox, would cease to function (sometimes with smoke).

Actually, I think Nomad would probably make a better FO executive than some of these guys would.

Though I think I’d rather have a Dalek from Dr. Who as a GM. One of those guys would definitely take care of business! ;)

]]> By: Utis http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/08/15/washburn-and-the-winners-curse/comment-page-1/#comment-296525 Utis Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:19:41 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=5812#comment-296525 I am by no means defending the acumen of the Mariner's front office. I am also not challenging the desirability of a competent GM (BB was demonstrably the worst in MLB). I do beleive that we often over analyze moves. Luck plays a major factor in a team's ability to be competitive (look at at the 2007 M's). It is possible to get by with a "traditional" front Office that catches some breaks (e.g. Chicago White Sox). In the meantime, given the current state of our team, our only solace is the game itself. I am by no means defending the acumen of the Mariner’s front office. I am also not challenging the desirability of a competent GM (BB was demonstrably the worst in MLB). I do beleive that we often over analyze moves. Luck plays a major factor in a team’s ability to be competitive (look at at the 2007 M’s). It is possible to get by with a “traditional” front Office that catches some breaks (e.g. Chicago White Sox). In the meantime, given the current state of our team, our only solace is the game itself.

]]> By: CaptainPoopy http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/08/15/washburn-and-the-winners-curse/comment-page-1/#comment-296524 CaptainPoopy Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:16:10 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=5812#comment-296524 Hopefully the M's front office views that as a slap in the face and trades him now. Much like they did to Nelson in 2001, I believe. Hopefully the M’s front office views that as a slap in the face and trades him now. Much like they did to Nelson in 2001, I believe.

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