Comments on: The Media and Jose Guillen

By: beckya57

beckya57 — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 11:08:12 +0000

Not to mention that all of this “clubhouse leader” stuff is nonsense. Teams win because they have good players. The M’s don’t have good players this year, so they’ve lost a lot of games. Why is that so hard to figure out?

By: beckya57

beckya57 — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 11:06:40 +0000

Anybody besides me notice the striking similarity to how the political media is covering the presidential race?

By: JLP

JLP — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:22:58 +0000

Well, then…

That seals it, doesn’t it? I’m sure McLaren knew exactly what was going on in that clubhouse. And I don’t put much into someone calling themself a leader.

By: msb

msb — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:35:48 +0000

mostly it was “Mariners manager John McLaren said Guillen, who entered Monday’s game against the Los Angeles Angels hitting .295 with 19 homers and 81 RBI, has been one of the team’s leaders.

“He pushes his teammates, he encourages them, he puts his arm around them – he’s been a great teammate,” McLaren said. “I don’t think anybody looked at him in that light before.”"

oh, and Guillen, himself.

By: JLP

JLP — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:18:37 +0000

Even Baker is on the “Guillen’s a good clubhouse guy!” bus. Can anyone show me on quote from one of last year’s Mariners that says anything to the effect of “Yeah, Jose Guillen is the leader around here. He’s the spark that gets us going.”? I’d love to see it.

By: msb

msb — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 18:37:18 +0000

Baker weighs in on the topic...

By: Steve T

Steve T — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 17:42:58 +0000

Jzalman, yes. Earlier this year I read something about Guillen being a clubhouse cancer in KC, fighting with the manager, being a self-centered jerk, all the things they call you when you don’t fit their mold of the perfect interview.

Hickey’s totally full of crap. Stuff like this, to me, is like finding “white power” crap in the paper — it casts their whole operation in doubt. There’s NO WAY a person could write an article like that unless they were wholly ignorant of how baseball works. Hickey’s a worm.

By: Doc Baseball

Doc Baseball — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 17:38:24 +0000

and … and … Guillen led the Angels to the division championship in 2004, and then when Scosia fired him there at the end of that regular season, you see they completely fell apart in losing in the playoffs that year (what was Mike thinking – the Angels haven’t done a thing since) … and then look how Guillen’s leadership completely resuscitated the Nationals in ’05 and ’06….
Just how much more evidence does anyone need that fiery leadership, and in particular Guillen’s leadership, is the key to winning?

By: Evan

Evan — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 17:26:13 +0000

Yeah. Soft-spoken guys like John Olerud always make their teams suck. Guys like John Olerud have never played on successful teams.

By: Doc Baseball

Doc Baseball — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 17:09:04 +0000

If someone can show me that intangibles are both predictive and important, I will gladly value them.

What, Dave, how can you ignore the evidence…just think about the impact that the fiery in-your-face clubhouse leader Carl Everett had on the Mariners … and, uhh, also how much the 2001 Mariners struggled because they did not have any fierce throw-’em-against-the-wall guys….