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		<title>By: lawnboy</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/10/17/power-structures-and-the-gm-hunt/comment-page-1/#comment-303080</link>
		<dc:creator>lawnboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 03:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, any chance it gets announced tomorrow? I imagine the new GM can&#039;t do much until the decision is made public, and if not tomorrow it will be at least another week, possibly up to two.

Other teams are already knee-deep in offseason decision making and preparation for free agent/arbitration season. The M&#039;s need to get cracking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, any chance it gets announced tomorrow? I imagine the new GM can&#8217;t do much until the decision is made public, and if not tomorrow it will be at least another week, possibly up to two.</p>
<p>Other teams are already knee-deep in offseason decision making and preparation for free agent/arbitration season. The M&#8217;s need to get cracking.</p>
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		<title>By: felixday</title>
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		<dc:creator>felixday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 00:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: felixday</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/10/17/power-structures-and-the-gm-hunt/comment-page-1/#comment-303060</link>
		<dc:creator>felixday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 22:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[doesn&#039;t matter how many times you post it, it&#039;s still off-topic]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[doesn't matter how many times you post it, it's still off-topic]</p>
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		<title>By: MKT</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/10/17/power-structures-and-the-gm-hunt/comment-page-1/#comment-303052</link>
		<dc:creator>MKT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 21:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If you are in charge of business, and you hire someone to be in charge of baseball, they shouldnâ€™t need to run baseball decisions by you; you hired them because you trust their judgement about baseball (whether this trust is well-placed or not). &lt;/blockquote&gt;

The trouble with this plan is that the baseball decisions often overlap with the business management decisions.  In particular, if your GM signs a multi-year, multi-million dollar contract with some mediocre pitcher, he has saddled the business with an accounting liability (and likely a baseball liability) for years to come.

So, you can&#039;t simply say to the GM:  &quot;Go and make all the baseball decisions&quot;.  Because in doing so you&#039;re losing control over your company&#039;s costs, always a bad idea.

A better, but still unworkable, arrangement would be to say:  &quot;For 2009 you&#039;ve got a payroll of $95M.  Go out and do the best that you can with that.&quot;  That would work if all baseball contracts were for one year only, but there are multi-year contracts to worry about.  And unless you&#039;ve got a crystal ball that tells you what you know your payroll should be for 2010 and 2011, you can&#039;t tell your GM &quot;spend $95M in 2009, $105M in 2010, and $120M in 2011&quot;.  Those payroll numbers could easily turn out to be non-optimal when 2010 and 2011 roll around.  But you&#039;ve already hamstrung your GM to tie his (or her) 2009 decisions to those locked-in-stone 2010 and 2011 numbers.

It pretty much has to be a continued process of negotations, where the GM says to the President or CEO &quot;hey, if you let me commit the team to a contract of 5 years and YYY million dollars, I can get CC Sabathia for 5 years&quot;, and the team has to decide if that&#039;s a gamble that good enough to make.

Unhappily for the Mariners, that means that Armstrong and maybe Lincoln too have to be involved in these decisions.  If they get a really sharp GM who they really trust, they can rubber stamp those decisions.  That might be the best way for the Mariners to go, given how well Armstrong&#039;s and Lincoln&#039;s decisions have all too often gone in the past.  But usually you don&#039;t want to give carte blanche to your GM (or indeed to any one person) in that fashion.  They&#039;re likely to overspend, in pursuit of on-field victories.  Someone&#039;s got to play the role of budget bad-guy, keeping a rein on the spending.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If you are in charge of business, and you hire someone to be in charge of baseball, they shouldnâ€™t need to run baseball decisions by you; you hired them because you trust their judgement about baseball (whether this trust is well-placed or not). </p></blockquote>
<p>The trouble with this plan is that the baseball decisions often overlap with the business management decisions.  In particular, if your GM signs a multi-year, multi-million dollar contract with some mediocre pitcher, he has saddled the business with an accounting liability (and likely a baseball liability) for years to come.</p>
<p>So, you can&#8217;t simply say to the GM:  &#8220;Go and make all the baseball decisions&#8221;.  Because in doing so you&#8217;re losing control over your company&#8217;s costs, always a bad idea.</p>
<p>A better, but still unworkable, arrangement would be to say:  &#8220;For 2009 you&#8217;ve got a payroll of $95M.  Go out and do the best that you can with that.&#8221;  That would work if all baseball contracts were for one year only, but there are multi-year contracts to worry about.  And unless you&#8217;ve got a crystal ball that tells you what you know your payroll should be for 2010 and 2011, you can&#8217;t tell your GM &#8220;spend $95M in 2009, $105M in 2010, and $120M in 2011&#8243;.  Those payroll numbers could easily turn out to be non-optimal when 2010 and 2011 roll around.  But you&#8217;ve already hamstrung your GM to tie his (or her) 2009 decisions to those locked-in-stone 2010 and 2011 numbers.</p>
<p>It pretty much has to be a continued process of negotations, where the GM says to the President or CEO &#8220;hey, if you let me commit the team to a contract of 5 years and YYY million dollars, I can get CC Sabathia for 5 years&#8221;, and the team has to decide if that&#8217;s a gamble that good enough to make.</p>
<p>Unhappily for the Mariners, that means that Armstrong and maybe Lincoln too have to be involved in these decisions.  If they get a really sharp GM who they really trust, they can rubber stamp those decisions.  That might be the best way for the Mariners to go, given how well Armstrong&#8217;s and Lincoln&#8217;s decisions have all too often gone in the past.  But usually you don&#8217;t want to give carte blanche to your GM (or indeed to any one person) in that fashion.  They&#8217;re likely to overspend, in pursuit of on-field victories.  Someone&#8217;s got to play the role of budget bad-guy, keeping a rein on the spending.</p>
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		<title>By: SequimRealEstate</title>
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		<dc:creator>SequimRealEstate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 07:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wanted to congradulate the Rays. Hopefully with in 5 years we to may know the feeling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wanted to congradulate the Rays. Hopefully with in 5 years we to may know the feeling.</p>
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		<title>By: G-Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>G-Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 03:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with letting a GM control his own fate is that he does what Bavasi did, namely, he mortgaged the future to try to save his job this season. It would be fine if trade reversals were allowed; we&#039;d send Bedard back to Baltimore and get those 5 young guns back. Alas, that&#039;s not in the transaction rules, so Chuck and Howard have to keep the new guy or Ng from doing the same thing, or give them a long-term contact and stifle that &quot;hot seat&quot; crap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with letting a GM control his own fate is that he does what Bavasi did, namely, he mortgaged the future to try to save his job this season. It would be fine if trade reversals were allowed; we&#8217;d send Bedard back to Baltimore and get those 5 young guns back. Alas, that&#8217;s not in the transaction rules, so Chuck and Howard have to keep the new guy or Ng from doing the same thing, or give them a long-term contact and stifle that &#8220;hot seat&#8221; crap.</p>
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		<title>By: gwangung</title>
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		<dc:creator>gwangung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 22:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I donâ€™t think DMZ was referring to Gatesâ€™ or Jobsâ€™ egos thereâ€¦
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yeah, but I was....(or, at least, keeping that more  in mind as opposed to actual skill)...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I donâ€™t think DMZ was referring to Gatesâ€™ or Jobsâ€™ egos thereâ€¦
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<p>Yeah, but I was&#8230;.(or, at least, keeping that more  in mind as opposed to actual skill)&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Clapper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Clapper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 22:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think DMZ was referring to Gates&#039; or Jobs&#039; egos there...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think DMZ was referring to Gates&#8217; or Jobs&#8217; egos there&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: metz123</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/10/17/power-structures-and-the-gm-hunt/comment-page-1/#comment-302997</link>
		<dc:creator>metz123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 21:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If youâ€™re going to argue that working with Steve Jobs or Bill Gates is in any way representative of â€œany other organizationâ€ you have either a seriously warped view of working with those two or of working in every other company in the world.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;d say there are a few equivalents in the world of sports...Al Davis, Jerry Jones, Mark Cuban, Peter Angelos, and anyone name Steinbrenner. :-)

In fact, these sorts of &quot;companies&quot; are probably more common in the world of sports franchises than they are in the rest of the business world. Eqomaniac owners, that think they know better than anyone they hire. 

Of course, that isn&#039;t the way the M&#039;s work, nor would I want it to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If youâ€™re going to argue that working with Steve Jobs or Bill Gates is in any way representative of â€œany other organizationâ€ you have either a seriously warped view of working with those two or of working in every other company in the world.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;d say there are a few equivalents in the world of sports&#8230;Al Davis, Jerry Jones, Mark Cuban, Peter Angelos, and anyone name Steinbrenner. <img src='http://www.ussmariner.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>In fact, these sorts of &#8220;companies&#8221; are probably more common in the world of sports franchises than they are in the rest of the business world. Eqomaniac owners, that think they know better than anyone they hire. </p>
<p>Of course, that isn&#8217;t the way the M&#8217;s work, nor would I want it to be.</p>
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		<title>By: sass</title>
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		<dc:creator>sass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 20:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think that is a problem. If you are in charge of business, and you hire someone to be in charge of baseball, they shouldn&#039;t need to run baseball decisions by you; you hired them because you trust their judgement about baseball (whether this trust is well-placed or not).  This is how teams should be run, with the baseball people making decisions they think will help the on-the-field team.  The fact that our baseball guy wasn&#039;t any good doesn&#039;t mean the management should take more control; it means we need a better baseball guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think that is a problem. If you are in charge of business, and you hire someone to be in charge of baseball, they shouldn&#8217;t need to run baseball decisions by you; you hired them because you trust their judgement about baseball (whether this trust is well-placed or not).  This is how teams should be run, with the baseball people making decisions they think will help the on-the-field team.  The fact that our baseball guy wasn&#8217;t any good doesn&#8217;t mean the management should take more control; it means we need a better baseball guy.</p>
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