Comments on: Congratulations Ichiro & Beltre

By: Mike Snow

Mike Snow — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 17:11:11 +0000

Wellâ€¦ if you believe that Win Shares is correctly varying the size of the pool based on merit, yeah.

Okay, I didn’t mean to be making a case for Win Shares, just acknowledging that it was slightly better designed than my idea.

By: msb

msb — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 16:45:33 +0000

it has been highly entertaining (once you get past the many WTFs) to read the various articles and bloggings about this years voting -- from Neyer and Baker, not to mention Dave

By: bill1410

bill1410 — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 16:30:37 +0000

Thanks for the link Conor. I forgot that was up there. According to PMR, the only touted rankings from USSM’s article that I could actually find for 2008, Michael Young was a pretty average SS. Bobby Crosby and Jason Bartlett had clearly better seasons (I thought Bartlett had incredible range during the World Series, FWIW). Peralta and Cabrera were about even. Jeter was a little behind. Yuni and Renteria were pulling up the rear among AL SS’s eligible.

http://www.baseballmusings.com/archives/cat_probabilistic_model_of_range.php

Of course, who knows if the PMR system is accurate, or the right one to look at, but yeah, they don’t love Michael Young like RZR does.

By: Conor

Conor — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 16:14:11 +0000

We really should put a link at the top of the page on how to evaluate defense. Oh, wait...

By: bill1410

bill1410 — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 15:47:05 +0000

Michael Young led the league in RZR and is close to 2nd on “out of zone” plays (according to Hardball Times). Of course, they have Jeter in 2nd in RZR. So if Young and Jeter are not good fielders (I would completely agree about Jeter), then RZR is basically crap I guess. And we’ve been told on here that BP’s defensive stats are crap.

Anyone know which defensive stats we should be using then (and why)? Because it’s only been a couple years since statistical guys were quoting RZR or BP’s stuff on defense.

By: msb

msb — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 15:37:27 +0000

. I do have a question, though. Why donâ€™t they break down the outfielders as LF, CF, RF instead of lumping them all together as just OF?

because that might imply they were legitimate awards?

By: msb

msb — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 15:36:56 +0000

what I find hard to believe is that it has been eight years since Ichiro arrived.

By: rsrobinson

rsrobinson — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 14:35:03 +0000

Beltre definitely deserved it. Ichiro? Meh. I don’t think he had a great year defensively.

By: JLP

JLP — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 05:28:00 +0000

I can’t disagree with too much on the list. Cases could be made for Youkilis at 1B and a few outfielders, namely Markakis. I do have a question, though. Why don’t they break down the outfielders as LF, CF, RF instead of lumping them all together as just OF?

By: DMZ

DMZ — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 04:31:45 +0000

Well… if you believe that Win Shares is correctly varying the size of the pool based on merit, yeah.